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GRDDL WG Weekly

1 Nov 2006

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Attendees

Present
DanC, briansuda, Chimezie_Ogbuji, HarryH, +39.058.3.aabb, Murray_Maloney, [IPcaller]
Regrets
Fabien, Ben, Ian, BrianM
Chair
HarryH
Scribe
DanC

Contents


 

 

<HarryH> Hey everyone, just as a warning, let it be known that I'm dialing in with a mobile phone. So when I get on the phone, make sure you can hear me just fine and tell me if otherwise.

phpht. that's last week's agenda

<HarryH> Hmm....perhaps I didn't check in weekly-agenda.rdf.

<HarryH> Wait one sec.

Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-11-01T11:00-0400

<briansuda> Zakim [IPcaller] is briansuda

<scribe> Scribe: DanC

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Oct/0085.html minutes 25 Oct

RESOLUTION: to approve minutes 25 Oct

Harry: scribe for next week?

DanC: regrets for 8 Nov due to ISWC

<danja> briansuda, are you in over skype? It doesn't like my conference code (again)

RESOLVED to cancel 8 Nov meeting

RESOLUTION: to meet again 15 Nov, chime to scribe

Cross-document Introduction

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to create a "normative only" view of the GRDDL spec [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]

<scribe> ACTION: iand to review Murray's suggested intro [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]

GRDDL Spec: General issues

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to flesh out ways to express author information in different markup languages. [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]

# ACTION: DanC to create a "normative only" view of the GRDDL spec [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to create a "normative only" view of the GRDDL spec [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to add a sample implementation appendix to the GRDDL spec [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]

some progress

<scribe> ACTION: chime to help danc with test cases on base param issue [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]

[#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML

<chimezie> ACTION: chimezie to develop test case to demonstrate both [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]

[#issue-mt-ns]

<chimezie> ACTION: chime to help danc with test cases on base param issue [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Nov/0002.html Re: toward tests for spec#issue-mt-ns

<danja> staff code not being accepted, on attempt 1234

<danja> must have offended the VoIP elves...

do you have a regular phone you can use, danja?

<danja> yup

<danja> last resort

Harry reminds me there's a UK number that might be cheaper...

<danja> thsnks - need to disconnect to free up line

<briansuda> yes

<danja> 64k

looking in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/sq1.xml

Content-Type: application/xml; qs=0.9

$ HEAD http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/sq1ns

looking at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/sq1.xml http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/sq1

"sounds about right" say several

<briansuda> yes

<chimezie> the mime-type should be authoratative

Danja: so if the mime type had been RDF, you would have gotten some triples?

DanC: yes, I think so; that's sq2, in progress

<#grddl_rdf> a :Test;

dc: title "for application/rdf+xml documents, the RDF/XML reading is a grddl result";

<chimezie> if the mime-type says RDF, it should be parsed as such (RDF/XML i.e.) otherwise it should check transformation attribute and namespace of the root (in the case of an RDF/XML document it has a unique namespace URI)

Murray: if the application/xml document bears the RDF namespace, isn't that good enough?

DanC: opinions vary

Murray: this is a question of web architecture, yes?

DanC: yes; the relevant TAG issue is open

Chime: yes, seems application/xml with the RDF namespace is triples that the author meant

Harry: yes, why would you not?

DanC: consider an XSLT literal result

[[ The Internet media type / MIME type for RDF/XML is "application/rdf+xml" ]] -- http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-syntax-grammar/

<chimezie> sounds like a test case is needed for the scenario where you have an rdf namespace uri with grddl:transformation attribute

<briansuda_> nick briansuda

<briansuda> it is beiansuda

POLL: does sq1ns have any RDF triples in it? i.e. does a document labelled application/xml that bears the RDF namespace have triples in it?
... no, yes, yes, ...
... no?, yes, yes,

<HarryH> brian can you hear me?

<briansuda> but i am for looking at the mimeType to determine if it is RDF

poll: no, yes, yes, yes, yes

Harry: I'd like a yes person to deal with the XSLT literal result element, and for a no person to elaborate in email

<scribe> ACTION: DannyA to elaborate on issue-mt-ns, in particular RDF not labelled as application/rdf+xml [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]

Murray: let's let the TAG know we're aiming for a decision that may set precedent

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to notifiy TAG of interaction between issue-mt-ns and TAG issues on mime types and namespaces (and copy semweb-cg) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]

Primer Document

<scribe> ACTION: Harry and Brian to rewrite second part of primer to use Brian and Dan's instance data [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11]

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to contribute hotel reviews for primer [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12]

<scribe> ACTION: Danny to take testing test harness. [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13]

GRDDL Press

DanC: I did 2 interviews; one resulted in a story; in internetnews.com, I think

Harry: there has been a bit of blog activity

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to flesh out ways to express author information in different markup languages. [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14]

<briansuda> I managed to contact some folks at LinkedIn Dave Sanford (http://www.linkedin.com/in/bigsanford)

interesting

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: DanC to notifiy TAG of interaction between issue-mt-ns and TAG issues on mime types and namespaces (and copy semweb-cg) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: DannyA to elaborate on issue-mt-ns, in particular RDF not labelled as application/rdf+xml [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: chime to help danc with test cases on base param issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: chime to help danc with test cases on base param issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: chimezie to develop test case to demonstrate both [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: DanC to add a sample implementation appendix to the GRDDL spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: DanC to contribute hotel reviews for primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12]
[PENDING] ACTION: DanC to create a "normative only" view of the GRDDL spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Danny to take testing test harness. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13]
[PENDING] ACTION: Harry and Brian to rewrite second part of primer to use Brian and Dan's instance data [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11]
[PENDING] ACTION: iand to review Murray's suggested intro [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
 
[DONE] ACTION: DanC to create a "normative only" view of the GRDDL spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: DanC to flesh out ways to express author information in different markup languages. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: DanC to flesh out ways to express author information in different markup languages. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14]
 
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Default Present: DanC, briansuda, Chimezie_Ogbuji, HarryH, +39.058.3.aabb, Murray_Maloney, [IPcaller]
Present: DanC briansuda Chimezie_Ogbuji HarryH +39.058.3.aabb Murray_Maloney [IPcaller]
Regrets: Fabien Ben Ian BrianM
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