W3C

TSD TF

3 Oct 2006

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Shadi, Daniela, Christophe, Chris, Vangelis, Michael
Regrets
CarlosV, CarlosI, Tim, Shane
Chair
Christophe
Scribe
Michael

Contents


Continue discussion on TCDL

cs: decided last week to use BenToWeb extension model
... separate documents about TCDL in Task Force
... approved global structure of TCDL and formal messaging section
... change of dc:date to internal date, has some implications mentioned on list

saz: BenToWeb date different?

cs: <missed>
... TCDL 1.1 date has same type as dc:date in DC 2.0

saz: provided use XSI param

cs: restricts DC date, so need to define in schema and then refer to it in all instances
... same problem with dc:description

saz: is it a problem?

cs: just pointing it out so people don't wonder what xsi:type doing there

<shadi> http://bentoweb.org/refs/TCDL2.0/

saz: document above is complete TCDL spec plus usage of task force
... but intention to separate them out?

cs: yes

saz: TCDL 2.0 will be standalone spec that can be used by others
... we'll describe how we use it for our context
... question about rddl file

cs: should point back to task force doc

saz: just want to make clear TCDL is standalone with its own merits

cs: issue of technologies re baseline
... possible to add pointers to exclude parts of a spec from baseline
... is that an issue?

<shadi> http://bentoweb.org/refs/TCDL2.0/#baselines

saz: looks pretty flexible
... may adjust how we use it depending on what WCAG does

mc: way to add features to a spec that aren't actually there? e.g. embed

cs: point to a private spec that adds it

mc: pointer clear that it's an extension spec?

cs: reference both
... can add example

saz: sounds good for now, we may need to return to this as WCAG evolves baseline
... notice in test element you use namespace, but use xlink in technicalSpec

cs: need to add attribute to technicalSpec?

saz: not now, but may need to come back to this

RESOLUTION: global structure and formal metadata sections of TCDL approved
... technology section of TCDL approved

<shadi> http://bentoweb.org/refs/TCDL2.0/#edef-testcase

cs: test case added dc:description with same xsi:type impact

make requiredTests optional?

saz: yes, should do that
... not clear on expertGuidance

cs: added recently for people who validate test cases
... optional so we can omit

saz: can imagine providing guidance, but should be in technique, not developed by task force
... if we need something to explain how test should be evaluated, should be taken to WCAG WG

mc: is this targeted to evaluators or to test case consumers?

saz: expertGuidance seems targeted to manual testers
... should be in the technique - test procedure or elsewhere

cs: expertGuidance specific to test case, while technique might be more general, that can be how we decide when it goes where
... e.g., information about testing hover changes on a link for color contrast, which too detailed to appear in technique

saz: example points to need for more test cases
... let's keep for now, but don't want it to turn into interpretation on techniques

cs: will add note to TCDL documentation
... suggested to use RDF for files element, but unsure how to do

saz: need ability to add request parameters

cs: can create HTTP headers with name-value pairs

<scribe> ACTION: Christophe to discuss with Johannes using RDF for HTTP, determine if it's needed now, or what future compatibility we may need, and discuss on list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/03-tsdtf-minutes.html#action01]

RESOLUTION: no objections to accepting testCase section with changes discussed in call and pending investigation into file section

<shadi> http://bentoweb.org/refs/TCDL2.0/#edef-rules

cs: rules section, pointers to success criteria etc.
... adding new techniques was only open issue
... examples has one now

RESOLUTION: accept rules section

cs: namespaceMapping had no issues

RESOLUTION: accept namespaceMapping

cs: rulesets had no issues on list
... keep in mind rule sets are XML files, important not to drop exisitng rules, only add new ones as WCAG draft updated

<Christophe> http://bentoweb.org/refs/TCDL2.0/#chapt-rulesets

cs: in order to keep validity with previously defined tests

RESOLUTION: accept rulesets section

cs: next up is to write the usage document
... have taken TCDL, removed what we're not using in task force
... but it duplicates a lot from TCDL, would like suggestions on making it shorter (unless we want a long one)

saz: it should be small, simple about required/optional/usage of elements
... don't need examples etc., that's already in the spec

<scribe> ACTION: Christophe to post a revised usage document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/03-tsdtf-minutes.html#action02]

saz: uisng EARL pointers in location?

cs: have added extension to allow usage from EARL namespace

saz: can add further elements from EARL namespace?

cs: current extension allows that

<scribe> ACTION: Shadi to send example of how to use EARL pointers in TCDL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/03-tsdtf-minutes.html#action03]

saz: we should use EARL as much as we can, and will probably want to generate EARL reports from test cases

cs: TCDL now pretty much finalized (pending a couple issues)

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Christophe to discuss with Johannes using RDF for HTTP, determine if it's needed now, or what future compatibility we may need, and discuss on list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/03-tsdtf-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Christophe to post a revised usage document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/03-tsdtf-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Shadi to send example of how to use EARL pointers in TCDL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/03-tsdtf-minutes.html#action03]
 
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