<tslater> ted can't join the audio today.

<Marja> Tanya said she is at the airport too

tonya: no new persons on the call
... agenda is the f2f agenda in october
... there is a proposal in the http://www.w3.org/mid/F2F92B1BD5EABC4EA6ECB96CD2EE8786021DCD61@PHSXMB1.partners.org
... I would like the TF-s to feed back, who will be there from the tf-s, who will represent and what will be the goal
... susie, you sent me some notes
... .where everybody brings their rdf data and you try to bind them together
... also a uri resolution for ontologies from alan
... for the bio ontology who wil be there?

vipul: helen will be there
... we will having a meeting next week, and we should have it by then

tanya: if you do break out session?

vipul: we need to discuss a discussion with the biordf group, look at their datasets and decide which one can populate an ontology

tanya: susie, do you want to comment on vipul's proposal

susie: I would also like to hear from the other tf-s to see and hear what they do

tanya: so probably after some intros and establishement of the goals we will need a 10-15 minutes updates from the task forces
... is that o.k.?

susie: yes, we can also talk about the areas we want to cooperate in
... having too much break out sessions would not be o.k. because people want to work with others

tonya: instead of calling break out session, we should rather have joint collaboration sessions
... likewise, there is a lot of work between protocol and biont groups
... it would be good if each tf would propose efforts, collaboration topics for the f2f 'break-in' sessions

susie: we are interested in the ontologies, for us it would be very useful, their conversion to rdf

vipul: one thing: we would a collaboratively mapping session with the biordf
... the initial info sharing is obviously important
... also, between ourselves and aptt group

helen: two people from agfa will be there, we will have a good group
... i would like a session on the health care domain ontology

<BillBug> The demos on the BIOONT seed ontology page using the PaTO Phenotype formalism could provide an excellent systematic approach to use when doing joint BIOONT BioRDF mapping at the meeting.

helen: mentioneing hl7 and gallon
... what health care domain ontologies would really mean, which part of hl7 would be useful for us

<chimezie> http://www.opengalen.org/open/crm/

<BillBug> It would also be commensurate with the approach being recommended by both the OBO Foundry and the National Center for Biomed. Ontology.

helen: we have a bunch a discussion, a session on health care domain ontology, what context we look at

vipul: have you use cases to drive that exersize?

helen: I will send it to you (I do not have my compure now)
... I am pretty sure there will be scenarios to evaluate the usefullness

vipul: maybe we could take a good scenario and work on that together

tonya: we also have to be clear what we are talking about
... is there a listing of the kind of use cases that cross all three of the task forces?

vipul: we started the exersize with the parkinson use case, but we are concentraing on the celular aspect
... but helen may have more interesting requirements and we could incorporate those

helen: we have three use cases and we will have to work on how to make them more clear

vipul: if you looked at the parkinson use case?

<vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ParkinsonUseCase

ericn: tonya and I will work on collecting use cases on the wiki, and

<vipul> This is the URL for the Parkinson Use Case

ericn: that will help on deciding what the use cases are
... we should also have the drug and effi. task force; I will have a phone call tomorrow with them
... they should be involved as well

<chimezie> Stroke Management ACPP usecase: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HclsigDscussionTopics/HclsSubGroupACPP/Stroke

<vipul> Chimezie is it possible to identify similarities at the informatics level with the Parkinson's Disease Use Case?

<chimezie> ACC/AHA Guideline Usecase (Myocardial Infarction): http://www.acc.org/clinical/guidelines/stemi/exec%5Fsumm/index.htm#top

<chimezie> I would think so.

tonya: anyone from the sci publishing group?

aj: I will not be in amsterdam
... i tried to figure who would be interested working with me, and this did not lead to anybody:-(

tonya: let us consentrate on the three tf-s on this call
... is there any other collaboration topic that we could add to the list?
... we have presentation, and then break-in sessions
... is that o.k. for day 1?
... for day 2, we propose that at some point the different tf-s have to present their progress on the previous day

<vipul> Helen and Chimezie, should we set up a time to figure out overlap?

tonya: does this make sense?

<chimezie> ACC/AHA Guideline Usecase (Coronary Artery Bypass Graft Indications): http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/reprint/83/3/1125.pdf

susie: how much time will have?
... maybe time at the end of the 2nd day for the reports

<chimezie> vipul: I don't know if helen is on irc, but it sounds like a good idea

tonya: to day2 morning will be break-in, reports in the afternoon

helen: everyone would have a 1-2 page slide on the discussions
... you can produce 1-2 pages on what the key points are
... that would be useful

<vipul> Could you and helen join in BIONT, Tuesday, 19th Sept?

tonya: that is for the reporting

susie, vipul: sounds good

<vipul> When is the ACPP TCon

<vipul> ?

<chimezie> Tuesdays' @ 3:00pm EST

tonya: so an opening session, another session for each task force present their goals, and then a series of sessions

<chimezie> vipul: could you shoot an email to that effect. I'll be sure to attend?

<vipul> Sure ...

tonya: then having 'hack points', where things could be hacked together

helen: what does susie want to do with the ontologies I would bring

vipul: mapping the ontology to data sources

helen: but in our case we do not have data for those ontologies

susie: our group converted lots of data to rdf, but it would also make sense to look at how these data set can be mapped on ontologies

tonya: helen, could think on some corresponding activities for the acpp group for the second day

susie: there is also the uri issue

vipul: it would be a great use for the groups to understand lsid

susie: when i revise the agenda suggestion, i will send it to the whole group
... for the uri discussion we are not really sure where people usually use
... collect the various statements and what people believe they are
... i will send out an email

<mscottm> ivan: your voice just dropped off

ivan: it would be good if the tf-s would have a goal on what they want publish and when

sean: will there be a facility to dial in

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<Don_> I am the 1.412.683.aaee

<chimezie> Zakim: 1.412.683.aaee is Don_

next meeting should be the 28th