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<shawn> zaki, who is here?
<shawn> scribe: Jack
<Wayne> New Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-eo/2006JulSep/0089.html
Judy: This is part of what we discussed as a suite of slides. Hopefully many of these will be ready in the next few months.
Shawn: Reviews the slides.
Discussess the approach WAI should use overall. Reviews other
... What approach do we want to use overall? What is the balance of words & text and pictures? How do we balance the need to have speaker notes and part of a presentation vs on-line learning?
Judy: Discusses on-line learning.
Outreach can be facilitated by using them as on-line
... We could make the material we have more accessible as on-line learning or walk-thru information.
Shawn: How many people will use them as presentations? Should we use them as PowerPoint?
William: If materials are used as on-line learning can we make them deeper.
Justin: Uses materials as follow-up from speaker presentation. Could we use java script to make something a long document for on-line learning and presentation. Refers to systeme he has seen.
Shawn: How many people would use these?
Doyle: Makes own slides
Justin: Are they editable?
<justin> S5 - http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/
Shawn: Most people doing
presentations would probably edit them.
... What tools do people use for presentations?
Jack: One of the most common tools used for presentation is MicroSoft PowerPoint.
Judy: Some of what we do on our site is train people but another thing we do is provide a suite of training materials.
Shawn: The incremental work to do both presentation and self-learning is minimal.
William: summarizes options
<Wayne> [Jack] The products: online set and online learing module are different productw
Shawn: Would an on-line slide set be useful?
Jack: can be useful
<shawn> Jack: only works if people can edit it. 1. let people put w3c stamp on it. 2. how common the tool is that people use to edit & present
Shawn: Should we use other tools such as PowerPoint
<shawn> a/PowerPoint/PowerPoint and OpenOffice
Shawn: people want to edit it
<justin> the markup for S5 - http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/structure-min.html
Justin: S5 might be an attractive option since it allows editing in things like Notepad
Liam: Might be sensible to have materials that would be useful as on-learning that could be given to various groups such as corporations
Judy: Would it be useful to clarify roles as developing content and then giving it to others for presentation
Shawn: Summary - look to providing a simple on-line self study option and then alternate versions that can be used for presentations
<Wayne> [overview summary] Define our roles:
<Wayne> Content Developer
<Wayne> Materials Developer
<Wayne> Online Self Study – Simple
<Wayne> Formats that people can integrate into presentations
<Wayne> Options: Complete plug and play to completely editable
Jack: Suggests different priorities in how to put a different slant
Judy: Provide in PowerPoint in other open office formats. Also talk about what was done to make it accessible.
William: Wants a caveat about using PowerPoint and PDF
<shawn> Wayne: people use one tool, they need to be able to pull it into their tool
Wayne: Works with many people who have a variety of technical strengths.
Shawn: Lets look at document itself
<Wayne> Good Morning Jack, and later day shadi.
Doyle: graphics are blurry
Shawn: Result of being a draft
Wayne: Gave a similiar talk last month. Good material. Talks about some differences
William: 'Weak' is not clear
<Wayne> [Comment on User Skill Level] When components break the prerequisite user skill level increases quickly. Content authors have to become coders.
<Wayne> ACTION: (Change Log) Consider language line “When authoring tool support is weak” [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/08-eo-minutes.html#action01]
Shawn: Does this capture the important points from the document?
<shawn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/components.php.html#depend "The Implementation Cycle"
Shawn: Are there concerns about not covering the implementation cycle in this version?
Sylvie: asks question about where some material is.
Shawns: reviews and answers question
William: Suggests that there is a gap
Shawn: Suggests more emphasis on authoring tools
<Wayne> ACTION: Consider the importance of authoring tools [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/08-eo-minutes.html#action02]
Shawn: How important is the support of weak browsers?
Wayne: Mention importance of authoring tool and browser support
Judy: Does it stand alone well? Is the level of the language appropriate?
Jack: What is in fact the level of expertise of the presenters?
<Wayne> ACTION: (Change Log) Edit for self study -- for example: the word "components". [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/08-eo-minutes.html#action03]
Judy: Especially concerned about words such as 'components'
Shawn: Other comments?
... Let's look at Essential Components of Web Accessibility
... Review of each slide
Wayne: This bullet seems like a non sequiter users' knowledge, experiences, and in some cases, adaptive strategies using the Web
Liam: What is the point we are trying to get to?
Judy: In a slide set do we need to bridge more between what people already have in their mind versus what is presented.? Should the bullets be reordered?
Shawn: Clarifies last bullet's purpose
Shadi: wants to minimize the role of the user
Judy: what is the status of presenter notes?
Shawn: use the document as presenter notes. Other than that would be significant scope creep
Judy: Wants other people who have not been as vocal to comment
Harvey: Likes what he sees
Doyle: Thinks the content is clear
Sylvie: No comments yet
Helle: Ok for now
Justin: Good for now
Judy: some questions on the user
components slide. Editor's discretion about changes.
... Let's discuss next slide - Content Developer Components
William: questions the word 'usually' in the following bullet Web content developers usually use authoring tools and evaluation tools to create Web content
Judy: may want to add
... Let's examine next slide - Example: Alternative Text
Shawn: Clarifies the text on top
Judy: How does the graphic work overall?
William: Does the balloon mean it would be spoken?
<shawn> ACTION: CHANGELOG note example slide might be broken up like above with text added to each. also note Jack's comment about missing/change Content image [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/08-eo-minutes.html#action04]
Jack: Perhaps that problem is that the example shifts from the existing content image of a little boy to 'web accessibility initiative logo'
Judy: summarizes overall the discussion
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