<Deborah_Nichols> hello from the muted

<ChrisW> allen, can you scribe today?

<sandro> Allen?

<johnhall> CAn't get in on phone - have tried 3 times

<sandro> What happens when you try, John?

<johnhall> after entering code - silence then cut-off

<ChrisW> zakimj, unmute leora

<ChrisW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Aug/0022.html

<sandro> resolved: Minutes from July 18th approved

I'm in again, and I can scribe

<sandro> Deferring discussion of Said's minutes, since we only got them yesterday.

<ChrisW> scribenick: leoramorgenstern

<AlexKozlenkov> said must be?

Chris: SPARQL liaison (fill in later)
... SPARQL is in candidate recommendation.,

lots of discussion as to whether or not it is good.

Sandro: after candidate recommendation, still need proposed recommendation

Chris: Any news on SVR? ODM?

No answers

<johnhall> SBVR - Donald has established good liaison with ISO terminology groups. He is is Beijing this week at an ISO workshop.

<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/open

<Deborah_Nichols> chris, there are also open issues related to the UCR

Moving on to use cases

Chris: Deborah Nichols has moved all issues with the document into Issues Tracker. This will be our official vehicle for tracking issues

<Deborah_Nichols> could we look at issues 3, 4, 9-11, and 21

<ChrisW> once again, we are here: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/open

(By the way, half of what I put into IRC isn't showing up, but I am keeping a separate off line copy)

<JeffP> Sorry for the late, I seem to have problem dailing in

<ChrisW> ok, thanks

(I typed that in 5 minutes ago. Nothing is showing up. Will send out off line minutes later.)

Deborah Nichols has moved all issues with the document into Issues Tracker

Chris: This will be our official vehicle for tracking issues
... Everyone should be aware of open issues.
... Start looking at it, be ready to discuss next week

Allen: Did issues of coverage ever make it into Open Issues?

Deborah: Issues 14 and 16 are related to coverage. Put one sentence into document about OWL-RDF coverage.
... Would like to discuss several issues. 9,10, and 11 seem to be directly related to editing of docuemnt. Perhaps Allen and David could take these and just do them.
... Issue 3: concerns XML syntax but raises a question. Who was it that raised the question? It needs to be sharpened.
... Should it be linked to critical success factor in document?

<johnhall> Sorry, but with no phone and Zakim on a go-slow, I'm not getting much out of this

<johnhall> I'll sign off and wait for the minutes

Chris: What were we talking about when we raised this issue?

Sandro: Don't remember any real discussion about this (xml requirement), Everyone thought this was obvious --- a basic requirement.

<ChrisW> ACTION: hassan to work with Frank to augment type discriminators proposal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/22-rif-minutes.html#action01]

<AxelPolleres> Can it be that the IRC problems are only on the web-interface?

Frank: Big discussion about supporting w3c and supporting take up of the spec.

<AxelPolleres> ... I don't have any

<ChrisW> action axel to add wiki page on "types of negation" by Sept

<ChrisW> action axel to add paula's discriminators to questionnaire

Sandro: this should be taken as an action to answer this question.

Chris: applies to widespread adoption, perhaps.

(that is, the XML requirement)

Action on Frank to address issue 3.

Deborah: issue #21: What does this mean? Rif isn't going to be translating from XML to XML as part of the spec. RIF representation of XML will be XML.

Chris: That (embedding XML in RIF) is the idea.

<ChrisW> ACTION: alex to record questionnaire answers for JBoss and XUL in an email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/22-rif-minutes.html#action02]

<AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to dump questionaire questions back to RAF wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/22-rif-minutes.html#action03]

<AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to include Paula's questions to questionnaire [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/22-rif-minutes.html#action04]

<PaulaP> +1

<Hassan> +1

<AxelPolleres> +1

<PaulaP> bye

Deborah: Can clear up open issues page to make this clear.

<ChrisW> sandro?

<sandro> ChrisW?

<ChrisW> can't get to the formatted minutes (permissions)

<sandro> weird

<ChrisW> rrsagent

<sandro> right.

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