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<HarryH> ??P11 is HarryH
<bwm> Zakim ??p15 is bwm
<DanC> Regrets BenA
so, the TOPIC command isn't necessary with a loaded agenda?
<HarryH> Scribe: Chime
<HarryH> Approve meeting minutes?
RESOLUTION: Prior meetings approved
<DanC> considering 1600Z, noon ET
HarryH: Would noon work for people?
PROPOSE: Noon works for current attendees. Alternative option is 11am (if there is objection)
<DanC> PROPSED: to meet again Wed, 23 Aug at 12pET unless WG members object by email, in which case we'll use 11am ET
<DanC> RESOLVED: to meet again Wed, 23 Aug at 12pET unless WG members object by email, in which case we'll use 11am ET
HarryH: Too many usecases
chimezie: Is it always the case to not have specifics in a usecase
HarryH: Flesh out a bit more (4-5, perhaps)
DanC: No audience for GRDDL usecase document
DanC: break out usecase documents into specific audience
FabienGandon: should be more formal in approach and flesh out usecases some more.
<DanC> titles might be "getting data from HTML documents with GRDDL" and "Interoperable data with XML Schema with GRDDL"
HarryH: is nervous about breaking it out
<FabienGandon> Another example: OWL Web Ontology Language Use Cases and Requirements http://www.w3.org/TR/webont-req/
<HarryH> believes Fabien has written the microformat use case document and is quite happy with it but wants 4-5 as opposed to 8-9 use cases.
DanC: specific usecase generates creative commons metadata from OAI
<danja> apologies, I forgot the scheduled time
<danja> pointer for irc log?
<scribe> ACTION: Address XML schema GRDDL usecase (interested parties) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
chimezie: I think fewer usecases cover enough ground to make the general point
<danja> sorry, what's the conference code?
HarryH: consolidate microformat usecases
<danja> that's me
DanC: don't be too overzealous with consolidating usecases - focus on common scenarios
<DanC> well, I'm happy to consolidate; but I want to consolidate based on audience and area of applicaiton, not based on technical mechanism
<DanC> (I'm curious what Fabien uses to come up with such nice diagrams so quickly)
FabienGandon: Target RDF vocabulary for Wikis could accomodate 1) general wiki structure 2) domain keywords
FabienGandon: Better tagging of concepts. Dynamic reorganization by modifying underlying ontology associated with tagging semantics
<danja> (facetted browsing?)
<DanC> (hmm... I thought I grokked the wiki scenario, but with what chime said, I'm confused again.)
chimezie: Using RDF to drive organization of content is sort of an inverse of GRDDL extraction of RDF vocabulary from content
<HarryH> Thinks that we need to make the use cases simple and "for the people" as well as easy to implement.
<FabienGandon> A longer version of the scenario on Wikis: ftp://ftp-sop.inria.fr/acacia/fgandon/research/semwiki2006/BuffaGandon_SemWiki2006.pdf
<HarryH> Is very excited about the cutting-edge use cases but perhaps worried those may be over the head of some of our readers.
<DanC> (I think I'm starting to get the XForms case, but it sounds pretty involved)
<danja> (ref. for use case #3 - http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/blogs/gems/tech/rsd.html )
DanC: main motivation for whittling down usecases is to be able to elaborate on the ones we keep
HarryH: Focus on advocacy as criteria for yes/no on usecases
<scribe> ACTION: DanC as additional participant for usecase #1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
<scribe> ACTION: chimezie to help Fabien with usecase #2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
<DanC> (pls don't rely on usecase numbers; they're not stable)
<DanC> I'm interested to mix #1, scheduling, with http://esw.w3.org/topic/SparqlCalendarDemo
<DanC> ACTION 2 = DanC as additional participant for usecase #1, scheduling
<scribe> ACTION: Fabien and danja interested in helping with XForms usecase [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
DanC: Hotel reviews instead of guitar review? More bootstrapping data
ACTION 3 = chimezie to help Fabien with usecase #2 (Wiki usecase)
<HarryH> definitely drop use case 7 - w3c index
<scribe> ACTION: Consolidate Wiki usecase, querying usecase and e-learning usecase [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
<briansuda> moodle & k-12
<DanC> ACTION: DanC to relate some e-learning pointers, e.g. http://moodle.org/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
<scribe> ACTION: Drop usecase 7 (Digital libraries and focused indices) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
FabienGandon: concerned about dropping usecase 7 - existing mechanism that can be improved
<danja> (count me in as a fallback sponsor for wiki/catalogue/e-learning merger)
FabienGandon: usecase titles shouldn't be too generic
<scribe> ACTION: Drop validation / testing usecase [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]
ACTION 8 = Fabien to drop validation / testing usecase
ACTION 5 = danja, fabien to consolidate wiki usecase, queury usecase, and e-learning usecase
<danja> (what he said - merge Atom/OWL into XForms)
<scribe> ACTION: danja & chimezie work on merging Atom/OWL usecase into XForms usecase [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]
<danja> live bookmarks - probably need to check with Elias ?( or was it Lee?) on possible scenarios
<danja> I suggest tabling for now
<danja> maybe talk about testing in #swig?
<DanC> ACTION 1 = Harry carry XML schema GRDDL usecase to later meetings
<danja>  &  look the same..?
<danja> I missed discussion - isn't there mergeability with  and 
<DanC> action 7 = DanC and Fabien to elaborate W3C /TR/ case
<DanC> action -4
<danja> clear enough
<DanC> chimezie, do you want the machine to draft minutes? or do you want to use scribe.perl offline, or something else?
could you have it draft the minutes?
<DanC> Fabien: I'm out next week.
<DanC> ACTION: DanC to get CVS/ssh access for Fabien [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]
<danja> I will, if no-one else jumps forward
<danja> yep, sure
<DanC> (I also like mercurial/hg for decentralized version control, though I haven't deployed that in w3.org )
<danja> thanks all
<HarryH> The meeting is adjourned, although everyone is welcome to stay as long as they wish.
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