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<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0106.html
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No objections to minutes
Approved minutes
Chris Ferris to chair next meeting
Approved 3pm PDT finish Thursday for the next f2f in Seattle
<asir> ACTION: Felix to update the Sept meeting page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action01]
<toufic> hey, frederick doesn't get to make suggestions about having meetings in boston
<toufic> considering he lives there :) :)
<asir> +1 to Toufic
Paul following up with BEA and Oracle about Jan meeting.
<toufic> +1 to umit
<FrederickHirsch> my preference is Boston in November.
<GlenD> Mine too.
<cferris> +1
<Nadalin> mine too
<FrederickHirsch> Many meeting are west coast, should have one on east coast.
<GlenD> Leaf peeping!
<FrederickHirsch> How many people will be at the co-located meeting in January?
<toufic> leaf peeping in october
<toufic> that's bait and switch!
<Nadalin> in Waldforf ?
<cferris> ACTION: PaulC to initiate thread with prospective f2f hosts for nov and january [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action02]
<fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0105.html
No issues raised with editorial group report.
<FrederickHirsch> How hard would it be to create red-lined documents?
<FrederickHirsch> question on: modifications to the pattern facet of a type definition for which the value-space of the previous definition remains valid or for which the value-space of the preponderance of instance would remain valid
Namespace change policy proposal approved as a starting point.
<cferris> here's a link with improved (but still sub-optimal) formatting: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0107.html
<umit> ACTION: umit to review and revise the policy for additional constraints [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action03]
Umit, what are you to review?
<umit> namespace uri versioning policy
<Zakim> asir, you wanted to ask a question
<scribe> ACTION: Umit to review namespace uri versioning policy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action04]
<asir> ACTION: Editors to incorporate this text into section 2.2 (both framework and attachment) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action05]
<fsasaki> PaulC: no objection to adopt http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0107.html for the namespace policy
<umit> no objection, but it may be subject to revision
<bijan> Shouldn't CVS give us that?
<bijan> I.e., provide a diff?
<cferris> not in a readable form factor, no
<bijan> Web CVS does
<bijan> ah
<cferris> there is an xmldiff that can be run
<toufic> makes sense
<GlenD> W3C already has this capability somewhere
<GlenD> just need to find it :)
Editors to respond to Fredericks request.
<scribe> ACTION: Editors to respond to Fredericks request to have a diff version for the WDs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action06]
<asir> RESOLUTION: framework and attachment drafts unanimously approved for first publication
<PaulC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3535
<FrederickHirsch> it seems to be the w3 site that is slow today
<plh> Frederick, you are correct, the website is slow. "www.w3.org was overloaded, getting better"
<fsasaki> Chris mail about tracking is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Jul/0023.html
<umit> can we chad the options?
<umit> manual form relies on the capabilities of the issue tracker person
<cferris> the nice thing about the tools over the manual xml format is that the work to update can be distributed across the wg
No objections to using Tracker for work group action items.
No objections to using Bugzilla for tracking issues/bugs.
<umit> again, I would like the chairs to establish a process for the issue owners to keep track of the email thread and the resolution of the issue
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to entry all existing action items into tracker [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action07]
Acdtion: Chris to send out documentation on Bugzilla to the working group and send out actions for WG to enter items into Bugzilla.
<fsasaki> ACTION: Chris to send out documentation on Bugzilla to the working group and send out actions for WG to enter items into Bugzilla. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action08]
<asir> ACTION: editors, improve Definition in 3rd paragraph concerning "policy subjects" and "subjects" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/13-ws-policy-minutes.html#action10]
<asir> The above action is still open
<cferris> here is the email with the status sections... apparently, the formatting nuked all of the hyperlinked text, but the relevant hyperlinks are there... trust me:-) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0108.html
Ashok action item ..2006/07/12-ws-policy-minutes.html#action06 is done
<toufic> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/13-ws-policy-minutes.html#action32
<toufic> was submitted by Toufic late last night
<toufic> is not recorded in the agenda
Action item 2006/07/13-ws-policy-minutes.html#action02 is done.
<asir> ACTION: [DONE] ashok investigate text to see if what it says about domains defining rules [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-ws-policy-minutes.html#action06]
<toufic> scribe, could you plase record http://www.w3.org/2006/07/13-ws-policy-minutes.html#action32 as done?
Action item 2006/07/13-ws-policy-minutes.html#action10 is done.
<fsasaki> ACTION: ashok investigate text to see if what it says about domains defining rules (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action11]
<asir> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0071.html
<fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0040.html
No object to the resolution of the namespace URI issue.
<cferris> BugID 3535 is marked as Resolved Fixed http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3535
No objecttion to the resolution of the namespace URI issue. Owner: Paul Cotton. No object to the resolution of the namespace URI issue
<PaulC> ISSUE: Change Reference from RFC 3986 to RFC 3987
<PaulC> Owner: Felix
<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0040.html
No objection to the resolution of the namespace URI issue. Owner Paul. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0008.html
<umit> +1 to Chris
<fsasaki> mail from Chris on the topic http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0036.html
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to give some additional background to the IRI issue for WG to debade whether WG wants to change URI's to IRIs http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0028.htm [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action12]
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to update the issue http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0028.htm with more information about cascading changes. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action13]
Issue http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0028.htm is still open.
<PaulC> Confusing use of "policy expression"
<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0031.html
<PaulC> fre q-
<prasad> Prefer to improve the wording. Useful to have a goal
<umit> we do not have 2.4
Rewrite 1.1 Goals of document. Owner Bijan. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0031.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0033.html
<scribe> ACTION: Bijan to Rewrite 1.1 Goals of document. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0031.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0033.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action14]
<umit> I will, Paul
<PaulC> WSDL 2.0 status recorded in Attachments 1.
<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0041.html
<PaulC> Modify wording in Abstract for Framework document
Issue regarding WSDL 2.0 is open. Owner Frederick. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0041.html
<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0072.html
<cferris> attendance tracking page has been updated: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/participation/attendance.html
<asir> ACTION: Editors to incorporate the proposed change in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0072.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action15]
Issue Modify wording in Abstract for Framework is adopted. Owner Toufic. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0042.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0072.html
<PaulC> Clarify the relation of overlapping definitions in the framework / in the attachment document
<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0045.html
<FrederickHirsch> my item that had similar wording related to attachments, see
<FrederickHirsch> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0078.html
Issue Clarify the relation of overlapping definitions in the framework / in the attachement document is still open. Owner Asir. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0045.html
<PaulC> Clarify "Framework" in Introduction
<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0046.html
<PaulC> Proposal for overlapping defn: to define the terms that are needed in the Framework in the Framework document, then additional terms needed in Attachments in that document.
<cferris> +
<cferris> +1
<FrederickHirsch> +1
<umit> +1
<Yakov> +1
<asir> +1
<FrederickHirsch> with statement in attachment to look for terms in framework as well
<fsasaki> +1
<PaulC> Clarify the relation of overlapping definitions in the framework / in the attachment document is Resolved.
Issue Clarify the relation of overlapping definitions in the framework / in the attachement document is resolved. Proposal o define the terms that are needed in the Framework in the Framework document, then additional terms needed in Attachments in that document. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0045.html
<PaulC> Clarify "Framework" in Introduction
<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0046.html
<umit> TOPIC 7 h
<cferris> RESOLVED: Overlapping definitions issue - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0045.html - closed with option B: Proposal for overlapping defn: to define the terms that are needed in the Framework in the Framework document, then additional terms needed in Attachments in that document.
<asir> ACTION: Asir to record issue: "Clarify "Framework" in Introduction" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action16]
<umit> Chairs, please accept my regrets for the last 15 minutes of this call. I have to leave early for my next appt.
<cferris> dmoberg notes that 7h and 7k may be related
Issue (h) Clarify "Framework" in Introduction is resolved by working draft. Owner William. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0046.html
http://www.w3.org/Submission/WS-Policy/#Introduction
<cferris> above link is to submission, we are looking for the current drafts
<PaulC> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-framework.html
<cferris> RESOLVED: Clarify Framework in intro is resolved with the current WD
<PaulC> Rewording of Introduction section of Policy Attachment
<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0054.html
<asir> ACTION: Asir to record issue: Clarify the relation of overlapping definitions in the framework / in the attachment document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action17]
<cferris> ACTION: William to record issue regarding Clarifying Framework in Intro into bugzilla [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action18]
<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0078.html
<FrederickHirsch> Asir posted the "net" at the beginning
Issue (i) Rewording of Introduction section of Policy Attachment. Owner Asir. Still open. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0078.html
<fsasaki> ACTION: Ashok to put http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0078.html into bugzilla [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action19]
<cferris> note, I recorded Tony Nadalin as present because he indicated that while he could hear us, we could not hear him and he would get dropped after a short while
CLOSED Issue 3562 - http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3562
CLOSED Issue 3547 - http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3547
ACTION: editors to implement the resolution for issue 3562. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html#action19]