<JeffP> hi raphael

<giovannit> 1,2,3 in the place to be

<giovannit> (-:

<JeffP> Hi giovannit

<giovannit> hi Jeff :-)

<JeffP> giovannit, I hope we can sort out the wiki issue soon

<giovannit> I am impressed by the apparent complexity of it all :-)

<raphael> Hi Giovanni

<raphael> Scribe: Jacco, Raphael

<raphael> ScribeNick: raphael, jrvosse

<raphael> zakim Vassilis.a is Yannis

<raphael> zakim [UMD] is Crhis

<giovannit> zakim mute me

<christian> hello there

<raphael> zak

<christian> could someone remind me which is thecode to enter the teleconf?

<vasileios> hi, this is vasileios and stamatia from ITI Thessaloniki

ADMIN

<anadiotis> hello all, i have some technical issues with the phone connection, and i don't know when/if i'll be able to join you by phone, but i'm here

<Massimo> hi All

<IoannisPratikakis> hello, from IIT / NCSR"Demokritos", Athens, Greece

<raphael> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 22 June 2006 telecon:

<raphael> http://www.w3.org/2006/06/22-mmsem-minutes.html

<raphael> ACCEPTED

<raphael> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 10-11 July 2006 F2F meeting:

<raphael> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html

<raphael> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/11-mmsem-minutes.html

<raphael> ACCEPTED

<raphael> PROPOSED next telecon 31 August 2006

<raphael> ACCEPTED

LIAISON (SWBPD)

<JeffP> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Jul/0043.html

<jrvosse> Comments on working draft, Jeff and Massimo have sent comments, these have been addressed

<giovannit> yup .. its not something you can comment that quickly i think

<jrvosse> Jeff: It is really important, please have a look

<jrvosse> Melli: it is on my todo list for next week

<JeffP> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Liaison

<jrvosse> Still important to get comments as soon as possible

<vassilisT> there is big echo

<christian> yup

<jrvosse> Jeff: Liasons are important

<jrvosse> Rapael: this also depends on the use cases

<vassilisT> jacco what is going on?

<giovannit> so its anediotis :-)

<JeffP> thanks

<giovannit> busted.. ;-)

<giovannit> yup and I would have in fact started..

<jrvosse> Raphael: We should also put the resource pages on the wiki

<jrvosse> Rapael: Giovanni volunteered, are there any others?

<jrvosse> not much work, just maintain on basis of input of others

<jrvosse> Raphael explains Resource, Tools and Vocabularies to Susanne

<christian> Of course I voulunteered automatically along with giovanni :-)

<jrvosse> Yannis about MPEG7 liason

<jrvosse> There is a MPEG this week in Austria, colleague of yannis is visiting this and talk to people for liason work

<jrvosse> action for Yannis to report back to the group about the outcome of the MPEG7 liason attempts

<jrvosse> ACTION: Yannis to report back to the group about the outcome of the MPEG7 liason attempts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]

XG UPDATES

<jrvosse> Jeff explains about the WIKI pages being about work in progress

<raphael> Music Use Case

<raphael> ACTION: iovanni to coordinate write up of a use case on music [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]

<raphael> DONE, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Jul/0036.html

<jrvosse> ACTION: Giovanni to coordinate write up of a use case on music: CONTINUED [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]

<raphael> ACTION: Patrizia to find pointer to the Vienna tool (music use case): DONE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]

<raphael> ACTION: Thierry to write up limitations of MPEG-7 description schemes: CONTINUED [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]

<jrvosse> all, please comment on the use cases using the wiki pages directly

<jrvosse> Susanne: can new use cases still be added

<raphael> YES

<jrvosse> raphael: sure!

<raphael> Tagging Use Case

<raphael> ACTION: George to write up a use case around tagging: CONTINUED [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]

<giovannit> ar ethere URI for the use cases already?

<raphael> Giovanni: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Tagging_Use_Case

<jrvosse> Susanne: there will be an paper on the ACM multimedia conference on averaging/harmonizing the ratings on images of different websites

<jrvosse> Susanne: this is just a first step, but having exchangable metadata would be the next

<jrvosse> Susanne: title should be something along the lines of "Media tagging"

<raphael> Susanne will join the effort on this use case

<raphael> News Use case:

<jrvosse> ACTION: Raphael to write up use case in the news domain: PENDING (waiting for IPTC green light) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]

<raphael> Algorithm representation Use case:

<raphael> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Algorithm_representation_Use_case

<raphael> Massimo ?

<Massimo> yes

<Massimo> (sorry for the phone)

<giovannit> i join Jacco in his request for more details about this use case

<raphael> massimo do you have comment on the use case ?

<jrvosse> massimo, I put a comment on the wiki, could you respond to that

<Massimo> i'm going to see it

<anadiotis> i agree with jacco too

<raphael> Low level feature extraction Use case:

<jrvosse> ACTION: Massimo to write up use case on analysis and reproducing: CONTINUED [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]

<giovannit> please someone who can create the wiki page :-)

<jrvosse> Vassilis: two contributions from ITI, one emphasising on the low level, the other on the bridge between the low and high level ones

<jrvosse> Raphael: Please note the W3C policies, do not attach unless necesarry, if you need to do so, please in HTML

<vasileios> actually, one contribution is from NCSR (Ioannis) and the other from ITI Thessaloniki (Vasileios)

<IoannisPratikakis> thanks, vasileios

<anadiotis> Raphael: is it possible to merge the 2 use cases?

<jrvosse> VasillisT: Maybe should continue to work like this, can merge later

<IoannisPratikakis> For the moment, I agree with VasillisT

<jrvosse> Ionnis: I think it would be good to merge these

<IoannisPratikakis> It's better that the current documents become more mature

<IoannisPratikakis> After a second round we merge them

3.6 Other use case ?

<raphael> ACTION: Iioanis to write up use case showing the need for semantic interpretation of low level features (Ioannis and Vasileios, 2 documents): CONTINUED [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]

<raphael> Media Use case

<jrvosse> Raphael: how realistic is that we can get datasets for this use case?

<jrvosse> VassilisT: we have data from a national project and think it is feasible

<raphael> ACTION: Vassilis to continue the Media use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]

<jrvosse> Raphael: for everyone not at the f2f: feel free to join activity on existing use cases or add a new use case

<jrvosse> If you are not assigned to a use case yet, please speak up

<jrvosse> Chris: will read through the current use cases

<jrvosse> Melli: same for me

<jrvosse> raphael: yannis, what are your plans on the use case?

<Massimo> to help taking decisions

<raphael> zakim q-

<jrvosse> Yannis: I think the low level uses cases are covered, might think about a new one

<jrvosse> Jacco on medical use case, forgot that there was already a use case on the image annotation draft from SWBPD WG

<raphael> Actkion: Melli propose a use case on bio-medicale images

<raphael> ACTION: Melli propose a use case on bio-medicale images [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]

<JeffP> 4. Future Metings:

<jrvosse> Susanne: will read through use cases and decide later

<giovannit> @ISWC!

<Zakim> jrvosse, you wanted to speak on medical use case

<christian> At ISWC would be better for me and Giovanni

<jrvosse> Next f2f meeting: two proposals: athens greece, SAMT or athens georgia, at ISWC

<chalaschek> I also vote for ISWC

<jrvosse> Susanne: is ACM MM an option?

<jrvosse> Raphael: October is too early ...

<jrvosse> Chris: the two venues I checked only have a room for one day

<jrvosse> Raphael: most participants come from europe, only 2 from US. Also there are (too) many events already around ISWC

<jrvosse> Raphael: for the US particpants, is there any possibility you could make it to Europe?

<jrvosse> Melli & Chris: we could, just depends on budget issues, needto get improval first

<jrvosse> Yannis: On the 7th of December we have two rooms, on the 8th we have one extra room available

<jrvosse> Jeff, how big is this room?

<jrvosse> Yannis: smallest rooms are around 25, that should be sufficient

<IoannisPratikakis> Just consider that NCSR"Demokritos", could also host the f2f meeting

<jrvosse> Raphael: PROPOSAL: co-locate next f2f with SAMT in Athens, Greece.

<jrvosse> Yannis: network access might be a problem, we are currently negociating about wlan network access

<jrvosse> Yannis: it is in a hotel, we do not have everything under control

<jrvosse> Vassilis: we could do it just after samt, on the campus

<raphael> Vassilis: during SAMT or right after

<giovannit> sorry.. was away.. they're both fine. I'd rather @iswc though

<christian> I agree with giovanni, ISWC would be better but it ok anyway

<chalaschek> echo again

<raphael> massimo: SAMT ? or ISWC for the next F2F ?

<jrvosse> Raphael: PROPOSAL: co-locate next f2f with SAMT in Athens, Greece.

<jrvosse> ACCEPTED

<jrvosse> Votes for SAMT: Raphael, Vassilis, Jacco, Vassileios, Susanne, George

<IoannisPratikakis> I also vote for SAMT

<Massimo> I also vote for SAMT

<jrvosse> Votes for ISWC: Giovanni, Chris

AOB

<alessio> same, i vote for SAMT

<jrvosse> Susanne: can the mail subjects be prefixed?

<raphael> ACTION: Jeff, Raphael to contact Yannis for the practical SAMT details [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]

<jrvosse> ACTION: jeff and raphael to start discussion on email subject prefixes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]

<chalaschek> bye

<giovannit> by all! :-)

<anadiotis> bye

<jrvosse> bye:

<christian> cioa a tutti

<Massimo> bye !

<JeffP> bye

<IoannisPratikakis> bye

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Default Present: Vassilis, Raphael, JeffP, Giovanni, Chris, Yannis, Vasileios, Melli, [IPcaller], anadiotis, SusanneBoll
Present: Raphael Vassilis Giovanni JeffP Yannis Chris Melli Vasileios Susanne Jacco Ioannis Stamatia Massimo_(IRC) Allessio_(IRC)
Regrets: Ovidio Patrizia Pasquale Thierry Paul Stephan Thomas
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Jul/0022.html
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People with action items: george giovanni iioanis iovanni jeff massimo melli raphael thierry vassilis yannis