<shawn> Shawn welcomes Henny to the scribe list!
<Zakim> LiamMcGee, you wanted to AOB ask about involvement with Web Standards Project Accessibility Taskforce
<shawn> shawn: have had some informal communication. was good. haven't kept up. would be nice to coordinate; however, that takes time. re-establish informal connections.
<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to ask about swapping agenda items?
<LiamMcGee> Link to WaSP ATF: http://www.webstandards.org/2006/03/13/first-atf-f2f-meeting/
Shawn - should I re-enter topic 1?
Judy: Look first at the topic list In the document:
William: There needs to be a connection to
mainstream disability advocacy groups.
... Build it into topic 8.
Harvey: Agrees.
Andrew: Topics 5 and 2 seem to be closely related. (2 discusses general expectations for accessibility, 5 discusses logo expectations)
Judy: There is a difference between what accessibility means and what a logo means.
Helle: We need to add more to clarify the meaning of logos.
Scribe's Summary: There was some issue taken with combining Topic 2 and 3 in one deliverable. This list may be too long for the group.
Alan: There is a difference between user and
developer / policy maker roles. The focus is not clear.
... Sample letters probably need to be localized.
Helle: Agrees
<shawn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-eo/2006JulSep/0003.html
Shawn: Role of Authoring Tools -- in the IRC.
[Authoring tools can make a difference in how accessible the web is.]
... Some brainstorming of how to message the importance of accessible
authoring tools.
William: We must communicate what authoring tools are.
<shawn> wayne: need to prioritize
<shawn> ... set of authoring tools
william: There is a fine distinction between different kinds of authoring tools.
Shawn: What do authoring tools do now to promote accessibility.
Henny: Some ask for a page title.
Doyle: Some authoring tools help you color.
Justin: Some accessible template selections.
Liam: Many widgets in [tool] are inaccessible.
William: They write HTML without being able to edit it.
Andrew: Content management systems have produce
generic code that is not available to the author.
... Blogging software often produces bad markup.
<LiamMcGee> Youtube
Doyle: Movie authoring tools - YouTube. Little effort to . Make it difficult to create accessible sites.
<LiamMcGee> force use of headings
<LiamMcGee> prevent skipping of headings
<LiamMcGee> prevent re-use of link text
<LiamMcGee> require title
<LiamMcGee> require alt text
<LiamMcGee> require longdesc for any <object>s
<Andrew> require labels for all form elements
William: make a style sheet part of what you do.
<LiamMcGee> prevent use of deprecated elements
Shawn: assertively block use of things like font tags.
<LiamMcGee> automatic mark-up of acronyms
Wayne: Compile to a standard always.
<Andrew> requiring name and title for any frames (if even frames allowed) + <noframes>
Doyle: Allow public input in modifying authoring tools... like open source.
<Andrew> requiring a warning if links have a target different from the current window
Andrew: If they do these tasks for authors they don't have to go back and insert accessibility features.
Liam: Cross-Browser fully accessible
widgets.
... Titling of acronym; automatically marks up.
<Harvey> Acronym vs Abbrev distinction: hard to differentiate.
Shawn: Metaphors for the power of authoring tools
<Harvey> Meta-meta-for-for-for!
Judy: Has tried to communicate this many time and need some ideas.
<judy> liam: if you want to collapse the entire tower of beans, take out the bottom can (or something like that)
<judy> liam: this is the standard one-to-many. look at cicero, etc
<judy> doyle: authoring tools that don't support accessibility need to be corrected
<judy> henny: big things come out of small packages
<LiamMcGee> teach a man to fish and you feed him for a day.
<LiamMcGee> Force him to comply with a fish production protocol and you feed him for life.
<judy> wayne: one bad purchasing mistake can cost a you a thousand lawsuits
<judy> william: you may have to walk in these authoring tools...
<Harvey> There are many significant quotations on my webside: Precepts on Aging and Growing Old Gracefully
<Harvey> http://www.hbingham.com/onaging.htm
with learning management systems and word processors, my university system has 30,000 web site developers
<shawn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/highlights/planning
Shawn: Standards Harmonization.. comments
<shawn> LiamMcGee singing from the same song sheet?
<shawn> liam: together we are strong
<shawn> harvey: marching together
<Harvey> Standards Harmonization: Aligning with other work
Judy: We did not get to looking for where we do outreach from staff. Looking for staff priorities on outreach... with respect to WCAG and ATAC specifically.