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<cferris> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jun/0007.html
pc: questions about the agenda?
... as for co-charing: one of us will do an entire meeting
... if you have questions on our charing etc., please tell us
... today, Chris will do the role call
... later I take over
... Chris, any comments?
Chris: Paul and I are still sorting through how to do this
Scribe ommited "I'm present" statements, see "present" at the top of the minutes
Chris: anybody who was not mentioned?
... on this call?
... somebody joined after the role?
<toufic> is this a transcript of the official roll call?
<cferris> I will be posting the attendance role presently
pc: we should introduce each other at the f2f meetings
<toufic> ok thanks. i don't see my name here on the list, even though I was actually called
pc: 3 a) Public WG home page
... 3 b) Administrative WG home page
<toufic> perfect thanks. just didn't want to go through the corrections later :)
pc: plh, make sure that all are subscribed
plh: making it right now
pc: most of the mail will be on the public list
... 3 c): WG Call for Participation
... see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2006AprJun/0056.html
... good participation rate for this WG
... 3 d): participants: http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=39293&public=1
... 3 e) public list
... and member only list
... 3 f) : editor's list
... for each CVS commit, a mail will be sent automatically to this list
... 3 g): WG tools
... (IRC, Zakim, action item and issue tracking, etc.)
... we will take care of action items and issue tracking very clearly
... for each agenda, where should be a list of scribes
... if you are secretary, your name goes to the bottom of the list
Chris: I am working with IRC etc., it's been a while
pc: 3 h) Management and enforcement of good standing
... we track good standing at the company level
Chris: I have set up a tracking page, based on the WS addressing tracking page
pc: we encourage you to maintain good standing
pc: the URI will come later
... on 3 i): chris, you generate the random scribe list of participants for the next agenda?
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to generate the random scribe list of participants for the next agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-ws-policy-minutes.html#action01]
Chris: currently this lists the attendences who were in the group until yesterday
<cferris> I just updated it
<cferris> mis-typed password
pc: other administrative items?
... I will hand these administrative items offline with new participants
pc: 4 a) Traditional W3C August break
... we propose not to have a break
... with a break, we could not meet our schedule
... any comments?
... 4 b) Distributed meeting time slot, Wed 12noon-2pm ET
... chris and I took and intersection of our personal calendars
... and looked into other groups in various organizations
... so we came up with this slot
... we would like to propose this slot for our distributed meetings
<cferris> me suggests that anyone who can't read th attendance should reload the page
Monika: the BEPL meeting has a conflict
Prasad: there is another conflict 8am-10am Pacific
Daveo: I am sympathetic with the co-chairs
pc: so that would be 11-1 ET?
... others had problems as well
... so 1 PM ET would be o.k.?
Prasad: would be a conflict for me
David: for me as well
<m2> WS-BPEL 8-10 a.m. each Wednesday, OASIS
Jeff: what time do we talk about now?
Pc: to have this call 1 pm - 3 pm ET
<prasad> sorry that was no me again. 1pm East works for me
Pc: but that would be difficult for Ashok
<dorchard> I have a meeting at 2pm-3pm ET
<m2> Could we consider a 30-minute delay to compromise?
pc: we have to tackle many time zones
... that is very difficult
... I liked to stay with the current time for this call and maybe the next meeting
... would that be o.k.?
... the chairs will take regular meeting conflicts into account
... with respect to the agenda and attendance
... could we use the current slot until the end of August?
... no objection
... 4 c) Future distributed meetings
... everybody o.k. with the current schedule?
... David, you sent the first regrets
... if we know that somebody cannot make a meeting, we will adjust the agenda
... btw, such mails should go to the administrative list
Chris: if you send regrets
... please send them also after the meeting
... esp. for good standing tracking it is useful
pc: that is useful for companies with a single representative
Umit: Do we need to have a meeting next week?
... many people take extended vacations
pc: not a bad suggestion
<maryann> works for me
pc: any objection against cancelling next weeks meeting
... no objection
Prasad asks about good standing
Chris: sometimes where are legimate reasons
Chris: like being on the plane
... so to know why you did not attend a meeting is helpful
pc: if we have to declare someone into bad standing we have to go the AC
... if e.g. there as a death in the family, we would not count that for attendance tracking
pc: a) WS-Policy WG F2F, Austin, TX Tue-Thu Jul 11-13 (hosted by IBM)
... local info is at http://www.w3.org/2006/07/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html
... I sent a mail this morning about registration, some of you followed up
... anyone who is on the call:
... pleaese register your attendence or regrets
... we will have a remote participation facility
... you will get participation materials etc. before the meeting
Tony: we have the best room which is possible reserved
pc: I will push on some people in this week
plh: for remote participants - do we want to use the W3C bridge?
pc: I would say yes
<scribe> ACTION: plh to reserve the W3C bridge for the July f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-ws-policy-minutes.html#action02]
plh: using zakim is easy since we can track participation etc.
pc: we appreciate the offer for a different bridge, but would like to rely on the W3C bridge
plh: a minor question:
... will we have breakfirst in the room?
... at 8:30 in the morning
pc: we need to find out if there is breakfirst
plh: as for hotels: if you have a problem with finding one, please let me know
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to tackle with Tony and Melita the breakfirst and hotel questions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-ws-policy-minutes.html#action03]
pc: Felix and I are staying at the same hotel, it is also listed in the logistics
... are you o.k. with what is in the logistics page, plh?
... 5 b) WS-Policy WG F2F, Tue-Thu Sep 12-14
<m2> There is also a F2F for WS-BPEL those three days.
pc: it is not possible to do the week before or the week after
... the week before has labour day, the week after was hard to host
some offer to host the week after
chris: I would have a conflict in the week after
pc: if there is a different offer for the week after, we have to find a majority
<uyalcina> I have a conflict the week of f2f. The following week it would be fine.
pc: but it would help to see who has a preference for which week
<dorchard> I prefer MSFT's offer and a conflict the week after
pc: the November f2f question will also be discussed during the July f2f
... this was item 5 c)
... 5 d) WS-Policy WG F2F, Jan 2007
... W3C is considering hosting a meeting of several groups in early 2007
... I sent a mail to Steve Bratt on this
<cferris> just to clarify my conflict is for 9/13-9/18
plh: the dates might be later than January
pc: the note from Steve said early 2007
plh: Maybe Steve does not think of "only" January
pc: I will give Steve my input on the timing
<cferris> is this planned on being hosted in Cambridge?
pc: if we meet in November, our target would be late in January
... please send the issues to the public list
... I will write a thread on the current proposal
... any comments?
See draft proposal on HP: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/
<scribe> ACTION: Paul to start the thread on the current policy proposal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-ws-policy-minutes.html#action04]
pc: we will have introduction of particiaptions
... who are you, and what interests you / your company in policy
paul lists the agenda proposal listed at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jun/0007.html (item 7)
pc: we will get Working drafts very fast after the first f2f meeting
... this is in our charter
Asir: one suggestion
... there was a workshop on policy
... I would like to add a discussion of that to the agenda
pc: is it o.k. to use documents which were used at the workshop
<Fabian> I joined 10 mins ago, please make sure you log me as participating. Fabian Ritzmann.
<scribe> ACTION: Asir to gather documents from the workshop on policy before the July f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-ws-policy-minutes.html#action05]
plh: one question: we have to name editors
... when will we do that?
pc: I put that as a subitem under publication plan
... the chairs are responsible to built up an editorial team
... people who are interested in editorial work, please send a note to Chris and I
???: what tools do we use? XML based editing?
... on the working group HP
... the public page, there is a link to the CVS area
... plh has built an inital draft already and converted them
... but plh will not be a long term editor?
... we want more than one editor, and less than 10
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<plh> William Henry
pc: if you joined the call later, please tell your name as we switch to a new topic
... if you have problems with IRC, please send me a note, I will help you out
<uyalcina> may I suggest the chairs to test the plus to be in the queue?
pc: please learn how to use IRC
<uyalcina> webclient is essential to some of us
Fabian Ritzmann: I joined between item 4 and 5
<ipbabble> okay I'm getting it
<plh> what client are you using Umit?