Edit comment LC-2037 for Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group

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Comment LC-2037

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Commenter: Mark Baker <distobj@acm.org>

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[Free text description]Document as a wholeContent Transformation Guidelines 1.0 Abstract Status of this Document Table of Contents Appendices 1 Introduction (Non-Normative) 1.1 Purpose 1.2 Audience 1.3 Scope 1.4 Summary of Requirements 2 Terminology (Normative) 2.1 Types of Proxy "A transparent proxy is a proxy that does not modify the req... A non-transparent proxy is a proxy that modifies the request... 2.2 Types of Transformation Restructuring content is a process whereby the original layo... Recoding content is a process whereby the layout of the cont... Optimizing content includes removing redundant white space,... 3 Conformance (Normative) 3.1 Classes of Product 3.2 Normative and Informative Parts 3.3 Normative Language for Conformance Requirements 3.4 Content Deployment Conformance 3.5 Transformation Deployment Conformance 4 Behavior of Components (Normative) 4.1 Proxy Forwarding of Request 4.1.1 Applicable HTTP Methods 4.1.2 no-transform directive in Request 4.1.3 Treatment of Requesters that are not Web browsers 4.1.4 Serving Cached Responses 4.1.5 Alteration of HTTP Header Values In this section, the concept of "Web site" is used (rather t... 4.1.5.1 Content Tasting 4.1.5.2 Avoiding "Request Unacceptable" Responses 4.1.5.3 User Selection of Restructured Experience 4.1.5.4 Sequence of Requests 4.1.5.5 Original Headers 4.1.6 Additional HTTP Headers 4.1.6.1 Proxy Treatment of Via Header 4.2 Server Response to Proxy 4.2.1 Use of HTTP 406 Status 4.2.2 Server Origination of Cache-Control: no-transform Including a Cache-Control: no-transform directive can disrup... 4.2.3 Varying Representations 4.2.3.1 Use of Vary HTTP Header 4.2.3.2 Indication of Intended Presentation Media Type of Representation 4.3 Proxy Forwarding of Response to User Agent 4.3.1 Receipt of Cache-Control: no-transform 4.3.2 Receipt of Warning: 214 Transformation Applied 4.3.3 Server Rejection of HTTP Request 4.3.4 Receipt of Vary HTTP Header 4.3.5 Link to "handheld" Representation 4.3.6 Proxy Decision to Transform 4.3.6.1 Alteration of Response 4.3.6.2 HTTPS Link Re-writing 5 Testing (Normative) A References B Example Transformation Interactions (Non-Normative) B.1 Basic Content Tasting by Proxy B.2 Optimization based on Previous Server Interaction B.3 Optimization based on Previous Server Interaction, Server has Changed its Operation B.4 Server Response Indicating that this Representation is Intended for the Target Device B.5 Server Response Indicating that another Representation is Intended for the Target Device C Applicability to Transforming Solutions which are Out of Scope (Non-Normative) D Scope for Future Work (Non-Normative) D.1 POWDER D.2 link HTTP Header D.3 Sources of Device Information D.4 Inter Proxy Communication D.5 Amendment to and Refinement of HTTP E Administrative Arrangements (Non-Normative) F Acknowledgments (Non-Normative)
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Comment:

I don't understand the need for 4.1.5.2. The second paragraph in
particular seems overly specific, as proxies should obviously not be
retrying POST requests unless an error - any error - was received.
PUT messages can be retried because they're idempotent.

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WG Notes: See: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/20-bpwg-minutes.html#item07 Final resolution: - ref LC-2037 yes, we have removed PUT partly in response to your comment NB: proposed resolution ref POST requests was not taken, why? PROPOSED RESOLUTION: ref LC-2037 ref retrying POSTs, no, we agree that it should not be necessary to point this out, but sadly it is

Resolution: We agree and have removed all references to PUT. We also agree that it should not be necessary to point out that proxies should not be retrying POST requests, but also acknowledge that it has been done in existing transformation deployments and think the emphasis is needed. The updated text is available at: http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-ct-guidelines-20091006/Overview.html#sec-avoiding-request-unacceptable

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