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<fsasaki> ACTION: All to look at parameters for the f2f around www conference or xtech (ONGOING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<fsasaki> ACTION: All to think about f2f at tech plenary and see if they can make it or not (ONGOING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<fsasaki> cl: I need to look into this again
<fsasaki> yves: so we would have three people
<fsasaki> felix: we should decide until tomorrow, because of the deadline on Friday
<fsasaki> cl: we will be busy before the meeting
<fsasaki> .. I am not sure if we will have many urgent things during the meeting
<fsasaki> felix: we will be busy, but we can't do everything, so there will be a lot to be discussed
<fsasaki> yves: if we would have four people, that would be good
<fsasaki> .. najib maybe at the tech plenary as well
<fsasaki> ACTION: felix to send a mail to the member list about the friday deadline of the tec plenary registration [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<fsasaki> ACTION: Felix to ask other w3c staff member about how to implement performance in general (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
<fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0026.html
<fsasaki> yves: I liked that they make a lot of distinctions about the format and its application
<fsasaki> .. that is very useful
<fsasaki> .. also, you pointed out to have a limited set of features
<fsasaki> felix: a point is the extension mechanism
<fsasaki> sebastian: we have that already by saying "we allow other namespaces"?
<fsasaki> yves: maybe we need more
<fsasaki> .. another topic: saying what features we have, and what the conformance for these is
<fsasaki> .. I would try to write a draft section on this
<fsasaki> felix: we should change the charter with respect to the "products" we want to create (tag set, processor(s))
<fsasaki> yves: if it does not hurt, we could do that
<fsasaki> cl: another topic: as we discussed the working draft, we discussed conformance of markup versus other conformance
<chriLi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2005OctDec/0093.html
<fsasaki> cl: this was an early proposal, I think something like that would be useful
<fsasaki> .. karls input would give input to rephrase a conformance section
<fsasaki> ACTION: cl and fs to rephrase the conformance section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
<fsasaki> ACTION: Owners of the modularizations to keep working on them (ONGOING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action06]
<fsasaki> yves: have not done much with DocBook
<fsasaki> cl: on DITA:
<fsasaki> .. I have found an interesting example, I'll have a closer look at this later
<fsasaki> Yves: Sebastian did a lot for TEI
<fsasaki> sr: I will not do more examples or checking
<fsasaki> .. I will show it to the TEI community
<fsasaki> Yves: we need to write sections for each format, in addition of examples
<fsasaki> felix: xmlspec, no progress
<fsasaki> ACTION: Yves to make a sample for different levels of conformances (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action07]
<YvesS> The link to the example: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0016.html
<fsasaki> cl: it might be misleading to talk about conformance
<fsasaki> .. it should be discussed as metadata for ITS itself
<fsasaki> .. I made an comparison to xsd
<fsasaki> Yves: should we allow for processing which is different for tools?
<fsasaki> .. the next question: how do we indicate that in the markup?
<fsasaki> cl: I would not mash the metadata with conformance criteria
<fsasaki> fs: I compare ITS to HTML. that is having two products
<fsasaki> sr: giving the set of rules, it would be illigal to get the wrong value for the translate attribute
<fsasaki> .. which means that you have to follow selectors
<fsasaki> .. without selectors, it is difficult anway (like xml:lang)
<fsasaki> felix: there might be users who don't use selectors
<fsasaki> sr: but we need an inheritance mechanism
<fsasaki> .. it might be good to have the separation in basic markup versus processing models
<fsasaki> yves: I am afraid if we separate markup conformance versus processors, people are confused
<fsasaki> .. they might have a tool which uses ITS markup, but which does a different processing than expected
<fsasaki> .. I see the value of the HTML way, but ITS tools need to see the value of being conformant
<fsasaki> sr: is it possible to have markup with s.t. else than xpath?
<fsasaki> ACTION: Yves and all othes to come up with a list of ITS products [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action08], see
<fsasaki> ACTION: Yves to explore constraint support in CSS and possibly contact a CSS guru. (PENDING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action09]
<fsasaki> ACTION: Christian to write a non-normative section on selectors, at the beginning of the selectors section. (PENDING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action10]
<fsasaki> ACTION: Felix to change bidi notation, as a response to Mimasas comment. (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action11]
<fsasaki> ACTION: Felix to change the ITS ODD definition so that it does not need an entry point anymore. (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action12]
<fsasaki> ACTION: Felix to change the ITS ODD definition so that it does not need an entry point anymore. (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action13]
<fsasaki> ACTION: Felix to check possible problems with both elements and attributes qualified. (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action14]
<fsasaki> ACTION: Felix to correct the syntax error in the markup logged in Bugzilla. (DONE9 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action15]
<fsasaki> ACTION: Felix to correct the wrong XML Schema namespace. (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action16]
<fsasaki> ACTION: Felix to talk to the QA activity within W3C about conformance criteria for ITS. (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action17]
<fsasaki> yves: discussion is ongoing, but the action item is done
<fsasaki> ACTION: Felix will tackle moving information from the i18n-comments lists, and move it to bugzilla. (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action18]
<fsasaki> yves: remove that from the action item list
<fsasaki> ACTION: Sebastian to change the processing system for ODD. (ONGOING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action19]
<fsasaki> ACTION: Yves to Update the Requirement wiki list and status. (PENDING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action20]
<fsasaki> ACTION: Yves to finalize and send his ITS use cases examples to Sebastian and Felix. (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action21]
<fsasaki> sr: will we put the examples in a note?
<fsasaki> yves: I thought of the modularizations
<fsasaki> sr: maybe I merged the two topics
<fsasaki> fs: I will implement the changes we discussed at the december meeting
<fsasaki> sr: we will reference the examples in the new public draft?
<fsasaki> ACTION: everybody to follow new syntax (discussed at december f2f: "selector" attributes (e.g. "translateSelector") instead of "scope" attributes) , and sr (processing) and fs (odd document) will implement the new syntax [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action22]
<fsasaki> Andrejz: I can talk about ITS at that workshop
<fsasaki> .. to clear some confusion on the relation between standards
<fsasaki> .. I made a presentation on this also at the Berlin meeting in December
<fsasaki> cl: I would like to see honest statements about the statements of formats
<fsasaki> .. e.g. ITS is not a standard yet, but a draft
<fsasaki> .. e.g. we can show how formats work together, but not standards
<fsasaki> .. sometimes people think they talk about standards, but they are not
<fsasaki> Andrejz: in the Berlin presentation I concentrated on LISA standards
<fsasaki> .. we put together workable drafts of specs
<fsasaki> ACTION: Andrejz to start an article about the relations between various standards [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action23]
<fsasaki> yves: I will follow on that up later
<fsasaki> Yves: I will follow up with other topics per mail, please participate
<fsasaki> cl: as for inline versus block markup
<fsasaki> .. should we add this to the next WD?
<fsasaki> yves: we don't have a page, and no owner
<fsasaki> .. it is an important data category
<fsasaki> Andrejz: I would like to start that
<fsasaki> ACTION: Yves to set up wiki page for Andrejz, and Andrjez to write about inline versus other markup [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-minutes.html#action24]