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<kendallclark> hi LeeF
<kendallclark> starting to be "that time of year" v. early for me this year :>
<AndyS> It's 6:30 am here
<AndyS> Palo Alto
<kendallclark> TONS of noise on the call
<scribe> Scribe: KendallC
<kendallclark> (the scribe tells a joke that *dies* a horrid, horrid death)
<kendallclark> libby: :)
<scribe> ACTION: PatH to sketch tests that characterize impact of semantics work [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-dawg-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: EricP to mail the WG asking about URIs for functions, re comment 2005-10-26T22:08:10Z from r.newman [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-dawg-minutes.html#action02]
SteveH, We'll move on to Protocol to give you more time to connect
will more time make you more successful?
<SteveH> will try again in 10 mins or so
<scribe> ACTION: KendallC to review sparql-types for xs:any weirdness, w.r.t. WSDL 2.0 constraints [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-dawg-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: KendallC to add a modified version of http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#security to protocol editor's draft, as well as a pointer to the section in rq23 itself [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-dawg-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: KendallC to propose revised WSDL descripton of SPARQL protocol [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-dawg-minutes.html#action05]
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to notifty DAWG of WSDL response to our WSDL comments [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-dawg-minutes.html#action06]
<scribe> ACTION: KendallC to remove uses of "my" in URIs in protocol spec [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-dawg-minutes.html#action07]
<kendallclark> KendallC talks a bit about Opera's community portal deploying a public SPARQL service, and the developer's requests for SADDLE.
<LeeF> See http://my.opera.com/community/sparql/
<libby> also Joshua Tauberer and govtrack today
SteveH, please try zakim again
<libby> and http://www.govtrack.us/sparql.xpd
you can /msg amy for help
<scribe> ACTION: AndyS to update rq23 to reflect double => decimal progress/done. test impact? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-dawg-minutes.html#action08]
we used to parse "5.3" as a double
we now parse "5.3" as a decimal
<AndyS> "5.3e0" is still a double
<jeen> but there's no shorthand for that is there?
<AndyS> Shorthand?? Shorter than 5.3e0 ??
<AndyS> If there is an exponent, it's a double.
<AndyS> ACTION: AndyS to Make the decimal/double test changes for later WG approval [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-dawg-minutes.html#action09]
<LeeF> AndyS: 5.3e0 is shorthand for xsd:double as per XPath
<kendallclark> "5" is an integer; "5.3" is a float; "5.3e0" is a double.
<LeeF> 5.3 is a decimal, right kendallclark?
<kendallclark> erp, yes
<kendallclark> I think
<kendallclark> "5" is an integer; "5.3" is a decimal; "5.3e0" is a double.
<kendallclark> scribe misheard/typed
Note recent changes in ValueTesting:
resolving inconsistencies in SPARQL Results mime registration
reformatted 11 Testing Values
fixing regex collations
<LeeF> Aye, good move.
<kendallclark> scribe is completely dead on this topic :)
<AndyS> F&O : http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#func-matches
<AndyS> fn:compare is used for "="
The collation for fn:compare is defined by XPath and identified by http://www.w3.org/2005/xpath-functions/collation/codepoint. This collation allows for string comparison based on code point values. Codepoint string equivilence can be tested with RDF term equivilence.
<kendallclark> every penny I have!
<kendallclark> (btw, Tauberer is pretty happy with SPARQL protocol as well. Just got email from him about it.)
foo: shoeSize "10.5"^^xsd:float
<SteveH> +1 to what andy's saying
<LeeF> Lee: no direct work w/ floats vs. doubles in my RDF data -- preference for simpler is better, but not well-enough versed to know all the gotchas
<SteveH> whats the cost of us using floats?
<SteveH> ive got users with lots of doubles, but thier 10.5 in turtle mostly
<SteveH> ie. they will be decimal at some point
<SteveH> I dont think it would be much of a cost to me either
<SteveH> but SPAQRL is allready too complex IMHO
we will adjourn soon
<kendallclark> Hmm, I think it's a *good* idea we don't have enough people to vote on this today, actuall.
<kendallclark> erp, actually
Next meeting: 13 Dec, scribe: ericP
<kendallclark> eric: make the irc logs world-readable or whatever the trick is?
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