17 Nov 2005

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Jim_Allan, Jan_Richards, [IBM], +1.416.946.aaaa



Hi Jim

<jallan> Hi Jan

<jallan> waiting for Cathy

ok I'm calling in now.

JA: Some notice from Al Gilman for CL's changes.

<scribe> ACTION: JA to Ask Al about next steps for chart. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/17-ua-minutes.html#action01]


JA: Maybe put in another column? Actually leace it up to PF to decide what to do with UAAG comments.

CL: CL had made comments to Rich months ago.
... Public roadmap included some bad links.

3. Building test cases for the Roadmap. Discussion. Are they needed?

JA: Feeling that they are needed...but is it too soon?

CL: Some links go to test cases....also we may be missing test cases for some.

JA: Right.

CL: For Value_change there may be a couple of simplate examples but nothing with Javascript etc.

UAAG requires notification of value change events.

JA: But there is some nuance - many non-meaningful changes.

CL: THey want it as an option.

JA: Seems we need deeper level tests - but not sure we are ones to develop.
... Our tests are just HTML, not very much Jaascript.

CL: There is one that contains some colour change.

JA: DOM event things are getting dicey. Critical when hauling in roles etc.

CL: Doing lots of work to bring these to Accessibility API from the DOM level.'
... Shouldn't get roles and events (e.g. value change) mixed together

JA: Was remembering that XHTML 2.0 roles can be pulled in and affects how ua's render certain things.

CL: Applies to XHTML 1.0 stuff as well.

with link, rel, etc.

JA: Will talk to Al about making more tests and then put these in the ua test suite.
... PF probably needs to write them.

CL: Other areas or roadmap to evaluate?
... Later in the doc are refs to two other docs, one on role taxonomies, the other on ???

Actually three: WAI States and Adaptable Properties Module , WAI Role Taxonomy for Accessible Adaptable Applications , XHTML2 Specificaton (includes XForms)

CL: For linux access we looked at Role taxoonomy to see if they all existed in the API and then enlarged the API to cover these roles.
... Some roles might be redundant or unnecessary.

eg. in UAAG it says you must be able to nav directly to certain places, but in the taxonomy things get VERY specific.

JA: Widget roles are less controversial.
... Let's start with strctural codes.


(URL for Role Properties in the taxonomy)

CL: Will said all initial comments on this doc to the list.


CL: Then will take another look from the UAAG perspective.
... The idea behind this is that containers (e.g. spreadhseet, tree stuructures) weren't well defined - there are 10 or so predfined roles - but may have gone too far,

(in XHTML 2.0)

But his current document has even more.

pages, sections, etc.

In firefox access tree goes right through the application into the content so there needs to ba a document boundary.

"Presentational" is controverisal because some say its a style not a role.

CL: We can really help them with theri role defs
... I confusing thing is grid vs. table.
... Thinks of grids as generic term for tables, spreadsheets, etc.
... But clear def is very important for these terms.

JA: Shall we add a UA comments column to the structual role table?

CL: We need to comment.
... Don't think UAAG has spent much time on layout vs. data table.
... WCAG does spend time on it.

JA: Working on this is a very useful next step.

<scribe> ACTION: CL to send comments on taxonomy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/17-ua-minutes.html#action02]

JR: Related to UAAG 9.9?

CL: Maybe as technique.
... Mayve also provide an index of important sturctures.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: CL to send comments on taxonomy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/17-ua-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: JA to Ask Al about next steps for chart. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/17-ua-minutes.html#action01]
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