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agneda+ Review of draft guide documents.
<David_MacDonald> am I in
<David_MacDonald> hi Christophe say hi to Leuven
discussing: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teama/2005Sep/0038.html
proposal: remove "user interface controls" from definition of "change of context?
resolution: remove "user interface controls" from definition
<Gez> Yeah, I thought they were relevant to the guideline, but if definitions exist elsewhere I'd be happy with those
<Gez> Yeah, I'll look it up
<scribe> ACTION: Gez to look at definition of focus in other W3C specs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/13-wcag-teama-minutes.html#action01]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/#event-handlerdef
<Gez> I'm not precious about any of the definitions I provided. They were things I thought needed defining, but if they're defined elswhere I'd be happy with those definitions
<Gez> Event handler isn't mentioned in my text, but I used fire an event, which requires an event handler
<Gez> This success criteria is a negative one, so I couldn't think of anything that could be done to meet it, more what to avoid
<Gez> anything with onfocus="" that changes context
<Gez> Hi Greeg - I'm muted, so having to type
<gregg> hi
discussing Christophe's draft: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teama/2005Sep/0035.html
<Gez> remote scripting could be used to provide a complete change of content automatically, which would fall under this guidelines - I think Christophe has it covered in option 1
discussing: gregg's proposal - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teama/2005Sep/0031.html
proposal: move L2 SC2 (When any component
receives focus, it does not cause a change of context.) to level 1.
<Gez> Change of content is mentioned at the end of Gregg's guide doc
<Gez> No, I think it would be more appropriate at level 1
resolved: remove L1 SC1 Rationale: if you meet the other level 1
success criterion, then a user agent should be able to programmatically
determine changes in context in a fairly straightforward way.
<Gez> Sorry, Ben - could you repeat that?
<Gez> Yeah - I'll define context menus and change of content
resolution: move L2 SC2 to level 1
<scribe> ACTION: Gez to include clarification about change in context vs. change in content and incorporate david's suggestion about menus [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/13-wcag-teama-minutes.html#action02]
resolution: revise definition of "change in context" to read, "change of user agent, viewport, or focus; or complete change of main content. "
<Gez> I'm going to call in again - as I'd like to be able to speak :-)
discussing Ben's draft: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teama/2005Sep/att-0037/3.2_L2_SC1.htm
<David_MacDonald> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teama/2005Sep/att-0037/3.2_L2_SC1.htm
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/#conformance
resolution: move L2 SC1 (Components that are repeated on multiple delivery units within a set of delivery units occur in the same order each time they are repeated.) to level 3
<Gez> The definition you've provided for same order looks fine to me
issue: should we include something that addresses subtle changes in repeated content?
<scribe> ACTION: Neil to explore including a criterion about differences in content being easily discernable [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/13-wcag-teama-minutes.html#action03]
<Gez> A user agent may be aware that content has changed, but may not relay that change to the user; for example, a screen reader may be aware an element had changed, but wouldn't automatically read the change to the user unless they re-read the page
discussing: decisions we need from the group now?
1) deleting L1 SC1
2.) moving L2 SC1 to L1
3.) moving L2 SC1 to L3
4) proposed definitions (change of context & same order)
<scribe> ACTION: ben to create survey on above items [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/13-wcag-teama-minutes.html#action04]
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