IRC log of dawg on 2005-03-22
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- 14:33:58 [JanneS]
- Zakim, mute JanneS
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- JanneS should now be muted
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- +DanC
- 14:34:20 [ericP]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
- 14:34:20 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0372.html" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:34:31 [DanC]
- Zakim, who is on the phone?
- 14:34:31 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see HP, EricP, Kevin, HowardK, HiroyukiS, Yoshio, Kendall_Clark, JanneS (muted), PatH, DanC
- 14:34:34 [Zakim]
- HP has DaveB, AndyS
- 14:34:50 [DanC]
- janne, you're set to scribe, right?
- 14:34:52 [JanneS]
- all set
- 14:35:06 [kendall]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:35:06 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark should now be muted
- 14:35:06 [JanneS]
- about to accept minutes from last week
- 14:35:15 [DanC]
- ammend 0358.html to show regrets DaveB
- 14:35:22 [swh_]
- Zakim, whats the code?
- 14:35:22 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, swh_.
- 14:35:25 [DanC]
- and RESOLVED to approve as ammended
- 14:35:37 [AndyS]
- Steve - 7333
- 14:35:45 [DanC]
- agenda + sparqlx
- 14:35:50 [swh_]
- AndyS, its the phone number I need
- 14:36:07 [AndyS]
- <DaveB> it's tel:+1.617.761.6200 code:7333
- 14:36:41 [JanneS]
- checking if agenda at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0372.html is ok
- 14:36:54 [Zakim]
- +??P7
- 14:36:56 [DaveB]
- regrets from me for any 29th March meeting (vacation)
- 14:37:04 [swh_]
- Zakim, ??P7 is SteveH
- 14:37:04 [Zakim]
- +SteveH; got it
- 14:37:10 [JanneS]
- (how can I see if the irc is being logged by the robot?)
- 14:37:30 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, pointer?
- 14:37:30 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2005/03/22-dawg-irc#T14-37-30
- 14:37:36 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, make logs world-access
- 14:37:39 [DanC]
- Zakim, pick a scribe
- 14:37:39 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose JanneS (muted)
- 14:37:47 [DanC]
- Zakim, pick a scribe
- 14:37:47 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose HiroyukiS
- 14:37:57 [DanC]
- Zakim, pick a scribe
- 14:37:57 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Kendall_Clark (muted)
- 14:38:10 [kendall]
- zakim, unmute me
- 14:38:10 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
- 14:38:15 [kendall]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:38:15 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark should now be muted
- 14:38:19 [DanC]
- Zakim, pick a scribe
- 14:38:19 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DanC
- 14:38:27 [DanC]
- Zakim, pick a scribe
- 14:38:27 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose SteveH
- 14:38:53 [JanneS]
- Hey, I'll do again next week.
- 14:39:00 [JanneS]
- yes
- 14:39:11 [DanC]
- ok, thanks.
- 14:39:12 [JanneS]
- beer that is
- 14:39:17 [swh_]
- ok :)
- 14:39:19 [kendall]
- send me yr mailing address :>
- 14:39:31 [JanneS]
- :)
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- 14:39:59 [DanC]
- next meeting 2005-03-29T14:30Z
- 14:40:06 [DanC]
- Zakim, next agendum
- 14:40:06 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "issue: sort" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:40:09 [bijan]
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- 14:40:19 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, pointer?
- 14:40:19 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2005/03/22-dawg-irc#T14-40-19
- 14:40:20 [Zakim]
- +JosD
- 14:40:25 [kendall]
- zakim, unmute me
- 14:40:25 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
- 14:41:17 [DanC]
- agenda + requirements review before last call
- 14:41:40 [kendall]
- new objectives are useful at this point even if we don't do them; there's likely to be another charter, eventually. they seem good input to that.
- 14:41:52 [DaveB]
- ref to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/UseCases#d4.11
- 14:41:52 [Zakim]
- +BryanT
- 14:41:55 [kendall]
- (i'd like that for the record, janne. ;>)
- 14:42:55 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#queryExecutionOrder $Revision: 1.264 $ sort same as 1.264
- 14:43:35 [JanneS]
- section 10.1
- 14:43:43 [DaveB]
- in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#solutionsResults
- 14:44:25 [DanC]
- agenda + comments on disjunction
- 14:45:42 [JanneS]
- AndyS: issue in comparing things which are by nature not comparable
- 14:46:23 [Zakim]
- +Bijan_Parsia
- 14:47:45 [DanC]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:47:45 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see HP, EricP, Kevin, HowardK, HiroyukiS, Yoshio, Kendall_Clark, JanneS (muted), PatH, DanC, SteveH, JosD, BryanT, Bijan_Parsia
- 14:47:48 [Zakim]
- HP has DaveB, AndyS
- 14:47:55 [Yoshio]
- what's the question, again, please?
- 14:48:02 [DanC]
- "Is this design maturing rapidly? persue it or pull the plug and
- 14:48:02 [DanC]
- postpone?"
- 14:48:47 [JanneS]
- EricP: normally would pull the plug, willing to go via Andy's judgement
- 14:48:53 [JanneS]
- Kevin: pursue a little longer
- 14:49:31 [JanneS]
- Howard: counts on Andys work (did I get it right?)
- 14:49:38 [howardk]
- that's good janne
- 14:49:45 [JanneS]
- Hiroyuki: to pursue
- 14:49:57 [JanneS]
- Yoshio: didn't get you!
- 14:50:05 [DanC]
- Yoshi: prefer to persue
- 14:50:07 [Yoshio]
- to purseue
- 14:50:08 [ericP]
- yoshio: persue
- 14:50:09 [JanneS]
- ok
- 14:50:09 [kendall]
- Kendall: pursue
- 14:50:14 [JanneS]
- I'm ok to pursue
- 14:50:25 [thompsonbry]
- Persue.
- 14:50:29 [JanneS]
- Pat: abstain
- 14:50:36 [kendall]
- connolly: pull the plug
- 14:50:39 [JanneS]
- DanC: would like to pull the plug
- 14:51:01 [JanneS]
- Steve: goes with the editor's choice
- 14:51:14 [JanneS]
- Jos: prefers postponing
- 14:51:16 [SteveH]
- with a mild preference to postpone
- 14:51:22 [JanneS]
- Bryan: Pursue
- 14:51:30 [JanneS]
- Bijan: abstain
- 14:51:31 [AndyS]
- And DaveB?
- 14:52:06 [DaveB]
- postpone for me
- 14:53:56 [JanneS]
- EricP: would like to do the sorting right: collation order should be defineable via lexical space + language tag + datatype
- 14:53:59 [kendall]
- zakim, unmute me
- 14:53:59 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark was not muted, kendall
- 14:54:04 [kendall]
- zakim, mute me
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- Kendall_Clark should now be muted
- 14:54:04 [DaveB]
- where are collations?
- 14:54:22 [DanC]
- collations are "how to sort" rules
- 14:54:47 [JanneS]
- EricP: .. in order to make implementations consistent.
- 14:55:08 [JosD]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-xpath-functions-20041029/#collations
- 14:55:13 [DaveB]
- xquery doesn't order/compareTo on rdf types
- 14:56:27 [JanneS]
- AndyS: notes difference between "03" and "3" in with xsd:integer datatype which are different in lexical space.
- 14:57:37 [JanneS]
- DanC asking for volunteers to review sort design
- 14:58:32 [thompsonbry]
- If we don't deal with this, we each implementation will deal with it and there will be no interoperability.
- 14:58:33 [JanneS]
- DanC: ...hoping for quick review
- 14:59:02 [ericP]
- i'm in favor of doing this completely or not at all
- 14:59:20 [ericP]
- i.e. no SORT keyword.
- 14:59:21 [SteveH]
- ericP, I'm in favour of roing it right, which maybe != completly
- 14:59:48 [SteveH]
- ericP, requireing a cast() means it can be right
- 14:59:57 [kendall]
- zakim, unmute me
- 14:59:57 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
- 15:01:01 [JanneS]
- discussion about the level of SORT implementations in rdf query languages
- 15:01:02 [Yoshio]
- re:voluntteer, what should be reviewed?
- 15:01:02 [SteveH]
- zakim, mute me
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- SteveH should now be muted
- 15:01:21 [howardk]
- yoshio: andy's sort design
- 15:01:31 [JanneS]
- Yoshio, the proposed SORT design in the document at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#solutionsResults
- 15:01:41 [Yoshio]
- thanks
- 15:01:42 [DaveB]
- from what I see http://www.openrdf.org/doc/users/ch06.html serql 1.1 has no sort, order
- 15:02:53 [DanC]
- ACTION PatH: review sort design in 2 weeks
- 15:03:39 [DanC]
- ACTION Kevin: review sort design at earliest convenience
- 15:03:55 [kendall]
- the RDF query language survey says none of the languages surveyed have order by except Versa. And that RQL has specific operators for retrieval of container elements.
- 15:04:10 [kendall]
- Reference: http://www.cs.vu.nl/~jbroeks/papers/survey.pdf
- 15:04:37 [DanC]
- Zakim, next agendum
- 15:04:37 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "optional test for with background inference" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:05:11 [SteveH]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:05:11 [Zakim]
- SteveH should no longer be muted
- 15:05:13 [JosD]
- for partial order consider toplogical sort
- 15:05:27 [JanneS]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0361.html
- 15:05:36 [JosD]
- s/toplogical/topological
- 15:06:11 [DaveB]
- I think: ?dtstart^^xsd:dateTime is wrong
- 15:06:37 [DanC]
- I was expecting the inferred triple (whose predicate is op:dateTime-greater-than ) to be in the input data
- 15:08:59 [DanC]
- ACTION DanC: follow up re optional test based on op:dateTime triple
- 15:09:06 [DanC]
- Zakim, next agendum
- 15:09:06 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Test suite maintenance" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:10:17 [JanneS]
- Test in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0360.html testing input data, not query language (as it now is)
- 15:10:41 [SteveH]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/#syntax-004
- 15:13:14 [DaveB]
- I've looked a the tutrtle defn, and '.' isn't in qname
- 15:13:25 [JanneS]
- about to accept the test case
- 15:14:52 [DanC]
- ACTION DaveB: consider dots in qnames, report on impact on turtle
- 15:14:57 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:14:57 [Zakim]
- Bijan_Parsia should now be muted
- 15:15:47 [AndyS]
- The current grammar special cases to ensure my trailing dots in qnames as per F2F - it has to go through hoops to do that
- 15:16:44 [thompsonbry]
- I feel strongly that we need to publish test cases.
- 15:17:22 [JanneS]
- ACTION EricP: to pair with SteveH on making the HTML test results page (continued)
- 15:17:44 [JanneS]
- ACTION SteveH: to to revise test manifest w.r.t. "background" and named graphs (continued)
- 15:18:19 [JanneS]
- ACTION DaveB: to to propose source test to approve (continued)
- 15:18:51 [JanneS]
- ACTION AndyS: to add the above graph test cases (analagous to valueTesting test cases) (continued - don't expect quick delivery)
- 15:19:07 [DanC]
- Zakim, close this agendum?
- 15:19:07 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, DanC.
- 15:19:09 [DanC]
- Zakim, close this agendum
- 15:19:09 [Zakim]
- agendum 4 closed
- 15:19:10 [kendall]
- I might have to drop out, but it's a long shot that I would.
- 15:19:11 [Zakim]
- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 15:19:12 [Zakim]
- 5. SPARQL VBR edits [from DanC]
- 15:19:16 [DanC]
- Zakim, agenda?
- 15:19:16 [Zakim]
- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
- 15:19:17 [Zakim]
- 5. SPARQL VBR edits [from DanC]
- 15:19:18 [Zakim]
- 6. SPARQL QL edits [from DanC]
- 15:19:19 [Zakim]
- 7. protocol edits, WSDL [from DanC]
- 15:19:20 [Zakim]
- 8. sparqlx [from DanC]
- 15:19:21 [Zakim]
- 9. requirements review before last call [from DanC]
- 15:19:22 [Zakim]
- 10. comments on disjunction [from DanC]
- 15:19:43 [thompsonbry]
- Dan, did we just take a decision to not publish the test cases?
- 15:20:01 [DanC]
- Zakim, take up agendum 9
- 15:20:01 [Zakim]
- agendum 9. "requirements review before last call" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:20:05 [kendall]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:20:05 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark was not muted, kendall
- 15:20:17 [thompsonbry]
- I would like to see a plan to publish the test cases make it onto the agenda soon.
- 15:21:07 [JanneS]
- DanC: we should soon start getting more comments from the public
- 15:21:59 [kendall]
- only thing i'd like to do to it as editor is spell check and run tidy to make sure it's valid. FWIW.
- 15:23:29 [bijan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:23:29 [Zakim]
- Bijan_Parsia should no longer be muted
- 15:24:40 [JanneS]
- discussion about test case document - publishing as working draft/who's editor
- 15:25:35 [kendall]
- hi fred
- 15:27:16 [SteveH]
- I volunteer to make testcases a note, if theres desire for it
- 15:28:30 [kendall]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:28:30 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark should now be muted
- 15:28:38 [kendall]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:28:38 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
- 15:28:48 [DanC]
- ACTION SteveH: prepare test cases for publication as WG Note (no deadline/urgency)
- 15:29:12 [JanneS]
- discussion about publishing reqs document
- 15:30:01 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:30:01 [Zakim]
- Bijan_Parsia should now be muted
- 15:31:14 [JanneS]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/UseCases
- 15:32:12 [JanneS]
- effectively discussion 2.18 as the motivator for WSDL
- 15:33:01 [DanC]
- hmm... "Working with enterprise web services tools"?
- 15:34:34 [DaveB]
- that's better
- 15:34:41 [bijan]
- +1
- 15:34:45 [kendall]
- that works for me
- 15:36:59 [bijan]
- zakim unmute me
- 15:37:39 [bijan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:37:39 [Zakim]
- Bijan_Parsia should no longer be muted
- 15:37:46 [JanneS]
- the wording now leads into thinking the wsdl interface is mostly for inserting and not querying
- 15:38:15 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:38:15 [Zakim]
- Bijan_Parsia should now be muted
- 15:38:50 [kendall]
- ACTION kendall: To rewrite 2.18: change the title, don't motivate "update", spell "WSDL" correctly. :>
- 15:39:45 [patH]
- Aandres Segovia collection vol 7
- 15:40:43 [patH]
- I don't hear it, Bijan.
- 15:40:53 [DanC]
- PROPOSED: to publish usecases 1.148 + revision to 2.18 by KC, reviewed by AFS, plus editorial fixups by KC, ok'd by EricP
- 15:40:58 [Zakim]
- -Bijan_Parsia
- 15:42:02 [JanneS]
- +1
- 15:42:11 [Zakim]
- +Bijan_Parsia
- 15:42:20 [DanC]
- so RESOLVED. ACTION KC, AFS, EP
- 15:42:42 [DanC]
- EricP will let us know if it's not gonna happen this week
- 15:43:46 [DanC]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 15:43:46 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see HP, EricP, Kevin, HowardK, HiroyukiS, Yoshio, Kendall_Clark, JanneS (muted), PatH, DanC, SteveH, JosD, BryanT, Bijan_Parsia
- 15:43:48 [Zakim]
- HP has DaveB, AndyS
- 15:45:21 [DanC]
- DanC: serviceDescription, sort, update formally postpone...
- 15:47:39 [JanneS]
- discussion about new issues/requirements, going round the table
- 15:47:52 [DanC]
- (new or on-the-edge)
- 15:48:44 [JanneS]
- xml serialization for sparql has been suggested
- 15:50:23 [bijan]
- recursive queries over construct?!
- 15:50:38 [kendall]
- i thought kevin meant in one round trip, one query
- 15:50:48 [kendall]
- iTQL & kowari do this
- 15:50:51 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#cascadedQueries
- 15:51:21 [AndyS]
- c.f. SQL FROM (SELECT ... FROM ... WHERE) and SQL IN and SQL NOT IN (row and column forms)
- 15:53:21 [DaveB]
- ask/boolean results queries could be inside an expression - but let's not do that now!
- 15:53:45 [DanC]
- (xml serialization itself is later on our agenda...)
- 15:54:14 [AndyS]
- FYI: *Some* subquery forms can be done in SPARQL by simple juxaposition
- 15:56:37 [ericP]
- is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0416 relevent ?
- 15:56:57 [kendall]
- i liked what you wrote, eric, fwiw. it's not a use case, but it's pretty reasonable start.
- 15:57:07 [JanneS]
- Yoshio has interest to have privacy related use case
- 15:57:27 [ericP]
- sounds like a call for an abuse case
- 15:58:35 [thompsonbry]
- +1 on kendall's position. better right than fast.
- 15:59:29 [JanneS]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 15:59:29 [Zakim]
- JanneS should no longer be muted
- 16:00:38 [JanneS]
- JanneS ok to include some of the latest arrivals but will oppose some things in this group's charter (xml encoding for sparql)
- 16:01:51 [DaveB]
- (timecheck? 90mins)
- 16:02:13 [DanC]
- phpht. used 90min already
- 16:02:13 [JanneS]
- Steve reluctant to include new stuff at this time
- 16:03:28 [JanneS]
- Jos agrees with both Kendall and DanC while explicitly relucant to xml syntax
- 16:04:05 [DanC]
- (bijan, ericp did an XSLT thingy to collect the defns. I found it useful)
- 16:04:06 [AndyS]
- Eric has an XSLT script to put the defns together
- 16:04:54 [DanC]
- (a soap binding... hmm...)
- 16:06:03 [AndyS]
- DaveB?
- 16:06:18 [DaveB]
- DanC: I still haven't commented
- 16:07:08 [JanneS]
- DaveB: the current set of new features looks like 1 more year of work
- 16:07:28 [DaveB]
- disjunction, sorting, casting, update, xmls erializatin, wsdl -<- all not imp to me, in this tiemscale
- 16:07:28 [kendall]
- eric: cool, that will help a lot
- 16:07:43 [DaveB]
- s/casting/cascading queries/
- 16:08:33 [JanneS]
- AndyS: in same lines with DaveB i.e. a lot of work to do with the new features and the eventual problems they reveal
- 16:09:06 [DanC]
- agenda?
- 16:09:17 [kendall]
- sure
- 16:09:41 [kendall]
- 2nd
- 16:09:47 [DanC]
- ADJOURN.
- 16:10:20 [Zakim]
- -Kendall_Clark
- 16:10:48 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, make logs world-access
- 16:10:52 [Zakim]
- -Bijan_Parsia
- 16:10:54 [Zakim]
- -PatH
- 16:10:59 [howardk]
- bye
- 16:11:02 [Zakim]
- -HiroyukiS
- 16:11:03 [Zakim]
- -JanneS
- 16:11:04 [Zakim]
- -EricP
- 16:11:06 [Zakim]
- -SteveH
- 16:11:07 [Zakim]
- -Kevin
- 16:11:08 [Zakim]
- -JosD
- 16:11:09 [Zakim]
- -DanC
- 16:11:11 [Zakim]
- -HP
- 16:11:12 [Zakim]
- -Yoshio
- 16:11:19 [Zakim]
- -BryanT
- 16:11:25 [Zakim]
- -HowardK
- 16:11:26 [Zakim]
- SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
- 16:11:27 [Zakim]
- Attendees were EricP, DaveB, AndyS, Kevin, HowardK, Yoshio, Kendall_Clark, JanneS, PatH, HiroyukiS, DanC, SteveH, JosD, BryanT, Bijan_Parsia
- 16:11:33 [DanC]
- full house today... that's encouraging. I was getting the impression energy was waning.
- 16:12:33 [DanC]
- hmm... I wonder if there's anything constructive to do about the schedule... will discussing it more help
- 16:12:34 [DanC]
- ?
- 16:13:02 [SteveH]
- if constructive = removing features then go for it ;)
- 16:13:24 [SteveH]
- DanC, did I see a vote from you for not renaming the N3/turtle input files?
- 16:13:47 [DanC]
- yes, I'm for not renaming. what's done is done. but this is just advice, not to be taken too seriously
- 16:14:26 [ericP]
- bijan, defns from the spec --> http://www.w3.org/2000/06/webdata/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2Fsw%2FDataAccess%2Frq23%2Fdefns.xsl&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2Fsw%2FDataAccess%2Frq23%2F&auth=proxy&transform=Submit
- 16:14:30 [DanC]
- bob's comments on disjuction are quite likely sufficient new information to re-open that issue, which opens the possibility of dropping it
- 16:14:51 [JanneS]
- hmm, does the RRSAgent make HTML formatted raw logs any longer?
- 16:14:54 [DanC]
- his comments on declarativeness/ordering are perhaps sufficient to reopen nested optionals, similarly
- 16:15:04 [DanC]
- sure, Janne...
- 16:15:07 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, pointer?
- 16:15:07 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2005/03/22-dawg-irc#T16-15-07
- 16:15:25 [DanC]
- or do you mean this?
- 16:15:29 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 16:15:29 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/03/22-dawg-minutes.html DanC
- 16:15:41 [JanneS]
- hmm, firefox pops a save as dialog..
- 16:15:43 [patH]
- BTW, guys, although I didnt want to reopen this can, I do think that going to market without an XML serialization means we will not be taken seriously. Even a vanilla one would be better than nothing.
- 16:15:44 [DanC]
- try http://www.w3.org/2005/03/22-dawg-irc.html ?
- 16:15:55 [bijan]
- ericP hmm?
- 16:15:57 [JanneS]
- 403
- 16:16:02 [bijan]
- patH +1
- 16:16:14 [JanneS]
- finally got it, thanks.
- 16:16:16 [bijan]
- I'm also writing up, concisely, some use cases
- 16:16:24 [bijan]
- For...Howard?
- 16:16:35 [bijan]
- The person who requested them
- 16:16:43 [DanC]
- you're not re-opening the can, pat. ericp started opening, and bijan, kendall, and bryan took the top completely off
- 16:16:51 [patH]
- So, Bijan, shall we just write one?
- 16:17:01 [bijan]
- Kendall sent a draft, i believe
- 16:17:07 [bijan]
- Yes
- 16:17:07 [DanC]
- pat, kendall sent one. did you see it? sparqlx in the subject, iirc
- 16:17:13 [patH]
- Ah, Im behind, sorry.
- 16:17:14 [bijan]
- Under the subject sparqlx
- 16:17:16 [bijan]
- YEah
- 16:17:25 [bijan]
- The Schema is generated so Ima going to have to hand tune it
- 16:17:32 [bijan]
- He just transliterated all teh examples in the spec
- 16:17:38 [DanC]
- it was item 8 on today's agenda; we didn't get to it
- 16:17:42 [patH]
- Well, that is fine.
- 16:18:05 [DanC]
- a rng schema surprised me... bijan, for your needs, we need an .xsd, right?
- 16:18:12 [bijan]
- Yep
- 16:18:19 [bijan]
- But that's just becasue it's generated
- 16:18:22 [patH]
- It seems oddf that a W3C WG should be so scared of XML...did the RDF fiasco scare us too much?
- 16:18:32 [bijan]
- We'll generate an .xsd from that
- 16:18:40 [DanC]
- I understand the excercise to be: come up with an XML Schema complex type for our abstract syntax
- 16:18:51 [bijan]
- And then I'll modify it by hand for readability and usefulness
- 16:19:09 [bijan]
- Yes DanC, that is the exercise
- 16:19:14 [patH]
- Yeh, thats what the OMG group did for SCL. They seem tohave software to help do it semiauto.
- 16:19:14 [bijan]
- This is as step toward that
- 16:19:16 [ericP]
- bob's comments dont motivate me to drop disjunction at all. i don't see at all why he thinks that disjunction has to be writable as optional.
- 16:19:28 [bijan]
- Kendall is submitting early to get feedback
- 16:19:41 [bijan]
- Mostly wanting, it hink, for people to check that the examples look sane to them
- 16:19:44 [patH]
- OK, I'm out of here now. Thanks for th efeedback.
- 16:19:58 [bijan]
- But also because you seem really concern with us sharing early
- 16:20:10 [bijan]
- He was psychic!
- 16:20:19 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, stop