W3C

Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference

21 Jul 2009

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Ashok Malhotra, Oracle Corp.
Asir Vedamuthu, Microsoft Corp.
Bob Freund, Hitachi, Ltd.
David Snelling, Fujitsu, Ltd.
Doug Davis, IBM
Fred Maciel, Hitachi, Ltd.
Geoff Bullen, Microsoft Corp.
Gilbert Pilz, Oracle Corp.
Mark Little, Red Hat
Paul Nolan, IBM
Ram Jeyaraman, Microsoft Corp.
Sreedhara Narayanaswamy, CA
Tom Rutt, Fujitsu, Ltd.
Vikas Varma, Software AG
Wu Chou, Avaya Communications
Yves Lafon, W3C/ERCIM
Absent
Bob Natale, MITRE Corp.
Jeff Mischkinsky, Oracle Corp.
Katy Warr, IBM
Li Li, Avaya Communications
Orit Levin, Microsoft Corp.
Paul Fremantle, WSO2
Prasad Yendluri, Software AG
Regrets
Chair
Bob Freund, Hitachi, Ltd.
Scribe
Paul Nolan

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 21 July 2009

<Bob> trackbot, start telecon

<trackbot> Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 21 July 2009

<Bob> scribe: Paul Nolan

<Bob> scribenick: paul

Agenda accepted

RESOLUTION: Minutes of 2009-07-14 approved w/o

Wu: proposal for 6401 will be ready for F2F

gpilz: feels the proposal is far from complete

Bob: F2F. Please register before 28th July

<Wu> welcome to drop us an email and we will try to address it.

Geoff: Shall we have a group dinner?

All: depends on wine list

<dug> I assume breakfast will be served, right?

<Geoff> yes

<dug> great -thanks

<dug> +1 to all of us at your photo shoot

New issue 7122

RESOLUTION: New Issue 7122 opened with No objections

<asir> 7 seconds

RESOLUTION: Resolve Issue-7122 with the proposal in Bugzilla

Issue-6980

<dug> We should mandate wsdl2.0 :-)

<Yves> :)

<Bob> I hope not

Tom: multi-part messages should not be included

Wu: suggested change to Dougs proposal should only be small

<DaveS> Dave agrees with Geoff

<dug> +1 to Geoff

Geoff: Shall we agree to the proposal and open a new issue for Wu's concern?

<gpilz> +1 to Geoff

Wu: agrees with proposal in principle.
... minor alteration was discussed

Tom: feels Wu's issue should be handled sperately

Gil: agrees with Geoff. Lets not hold up the proposal over this new concern

Wu: woul rather agree to the proposal and deal with multi-part messages later

Tom: we need to discuss whether multi-part messages should be raised as an issue

Bob: Any objections to accepting the proposal and opening a new issue for multi-part events?

<DaveS> +1 to not expanding the scope of the issue.

<gpilz> +1

Geoff: lets see the proposal for the multi-part messages first

<dug> as issue owner, I disagree, this is just about XPath over the raw event data itself - single part

<gpilz> +1 to Tom

<DaveS> +1 to Tom

<Ashok> +1 to Tom

Tom: this multi-part extension is a bigger issue than implied

Doug: there has been plently of time to raise this issue

Bob: if Wu's concern is controversial we should perhaps not wait another week before deciding whether to raise it as a new issue

Gil: why not close the main issue?

<dug> And that same member has asked for a week, got that week - so let's move on

Bob: if we had straw poll would this help ?

<Tom_Rutt> If we add a statement "if multipart notifications are used" implies that we agree to support multi part notificaitons. This impacts other issues (e.g., 6401) and other text, so I do not want this issue to have a resolution which implies support for multipart

<dug> we're discussing an unknown friendly amendment - don't see what the straw poll will solve?

<gpilz> +1 to Tom; I object to anything that indicates an Event Source might emit multi-part messages

Tom: Wu's change implies support for multi-part

Bob: will anyone implement multi-part?

Doug: lets please split these issues

Wu: is Doug's proposal implying single part?

Doug: it implies neither single or multi-part

<Tom_Rutt> my major concern about multipart, allowing some of the notification content to be in header severly impacts any implementations of federation with other implementation choices to relay notifications (e.g. JMS) It will severly impact such implementations (outside the scope of ws-eventing)

Wu: accepts that since Doug's proposal does not address XX-part messages he can accept it and raise a new issue

RESOLUTION: Resolve Issue-6980 with the proposal in bugzilla. A new issue may be opened for multi-part events

Issue-6711

<dug> +1 to cwna

Geoff: perhaps this can be closed with no action

RESOLUTION: Resolve Issue-6711 by closing with no action w/o

Issue-6500

Geoff: we are happy to close with no action

Doug: likes wrapper, it adds etensibility point

<gpilz> +1

Geoff: this issue depends on 7015?
... resolution will need to be consistent across these issues

Doug: it just needs to be right

<asir> Not understanding the difference

Dave: what is use case for request extensibility?

Doug: types of data perhaps or information about the metadata

Bob: can we resolve by adopting the proposal?

RESOLUTION: Resolve Issue-6500 by accepting proposal in bugzilla

Issue-6719

Ashok: deals with mex dialect and recursive links

Asir: there is a good example for this dialect

<dug> "This value indicates the type of the metadata contained within the Metadata Section. When used in conjunction with Metadata Reference or Location, this allows the inclusion of metadata by reference."

Doug: the wording of the issue does not metion mex dialect

<asir> Here is the full text

<asir> This value indicates the type of the metadata contained within the Metadata Section. When used in conjunction with Metadata Reference or Location, this allows the inclusion of metadata by reference.

<dug> .. /mex:Metadata/mex:MetadataSection/@Dialect ="http://www.w3.org/2009/02/ws-mex/Dialects/ws-mex"

Asir: this text needs clarification

<dug> can we get an ETA?

<scribe> ACTION: asir and Ashok to modify test by 07/28 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-ws-ra-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-84 - And Ashok to modify test by 07/28 [on Asir Vedamuthu - due 2009-07-28].

open Action Item Review

Yves: to address 6533 by mid august (Action-45)

Geoff: 6551 no progress

Doug: shall we close with no action

Geoff: agree

RESOLUTION: Resolve Issue-6551 by closing with no action

Doug: will address 6694 by F2F (Action-87)

Yves: 7013 partial put and versioning. Will address by mid August (Action-67)

<scribe> ACTION: Doug 7068 addressed by F2F (Action-85) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-ws-ra-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-85 - 7068 addressed by F2F [on Doug Davis - due 2009-07-28].

<Bob> 6403 ai re-assign to Asir

<scribe> ACTION: Asir to address 6403 by mid August (Action-86) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-ws-ra-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-86 - Address 6403 by mid August [on Asir Vedamuthu - due 2009-07-28].

Bob: Ram, Dug How are we doing on 7088?

Ram: Progress is being made, no date yet

Adjourned

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: asir and Ashok to modify test by 07/28 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-ws-ra-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Asir to address 6403 by mid August (Action-86) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-ws-ra-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug 7068 addressed by F2F (Action-85) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-ws-ra-minutes.html#action02]
 
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