Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference

30 Jun 2009


See also: IRC log


Ashok Malhotra, Oracle Corp.
Asir Vedamuthu, Microsoft Corp.
Bob Freund, Hitachi, Ltd.
David Snelling, Fujitsu, Ltd.
Doug Davis, IBM
Fred Maciel, Hitachi, Ltd.
Gilbert Pilz, Oracle Corp.
Li Li, Avaya Communications
Mark Little, Red Hat
Paul Nolan, IBM
Ram Jeyaraman, Microsoft Corp.
Sreedhara Narayanaswamy, CA
Tom Rutt, Fujitsu, Ltd.
Wu Chou, Avaya Communications
Yves Lafon, W3C/ERCIM
Bob Natale, MITRE Corp.
Geoff Bullen, Microsoft Corp.
Jeff Mischkinsky, Oracle Corp.
Katy Warr, IBM
Orit Levin, Microsoft Corp.
Paul Fremantle, WSO2
Prasad Yendluri, Software AG
Ranga Reddy Makireddy, CA
Vikas Varma, Software AG
Bob Freund, Hitachi, Ltd.
Wu Chou


<trackbot> Date: 30 June 2009

<Bob> Scribe: Wu Chou

Agenda agreed

minutes of 2009-06-23 are approved

August F2F hosted by Microsoft

asir: need the list of people who attend and will provide local information

bob: England F2F meeting - who thinks to attend - a quick poll

Asir: yes

dug: someone will be there from IBM

dave: yes

fred: No

Gil: yes

Li: no

Mark: ?

Ram: yes

tom: no

wu: yes

<Yves> Yves: yes

<DaveS> Dave: Yes

10 or more will attend F2F at England

New Issues

Issue-7068 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7068

issue 7068 accepted and Doug is the owner

Issue-7014 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7014

<dug> This specification defines one ContentDescription URI,

<dug> http://.../ContentDescription/Literal, which can be used to convey to the

<dug> service that the children of the wst:Create element are not instructions

<dug> but rather are to be taken as the literal resource representation of the

<dug> new resource.

asir: there is another issue related to literal representation, what is the relation?

dug: this another issue

asir: no dependency

dug: yes

asir: would like more time

Issue-6699 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6699

dug: remove this feature from RT and deal with it in issue 6411

ashok: this feature is about resource not fragment.

asir: we are fine to drop this feature from RT.

RESOLUTION: Resolve Issue-6699 by dropping the feature from RT w/o

Issue 7039 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7039

dug: examining inside EPR is problem. The identifier should be removed.

<gpilz> +q

<dug> Implementations of Event Sources, or Subscription Managers, MUST NOT assume that this reference parameter will be used.

gpilz: prefer to address this issue with some clarifying text as opposed to remove it

asir: my suggestion is in line with Gil to clarifying it.

dug: add some text e.g. implementation ...

<DaveS> +

<dug> I can live with #2 but I reserve the right to say "I told you so" later :-)

asir: close it with some email if all agree with clarifying text

<dug> +q

dave: would like to live option 1

bob: two choices - remove+some clarifying text (thumb up) or delete it (down)

asir: up

dug: down

dave: down

fred: abstain

gil: down

<dug> LOL

li: down

ram: up

sreed: down

tom: down

yves: abstain

bob: more down than up

asir: my suggestion looking at proposal more

DaveS: like to know the value to bother proposal up

asir: Iook at the Primer example

<DaveS> Do we have a link for the primer?

gpilz: logically cannot be any interoperablity issue by removing this identifier.

<asir> Please see section 6.3 in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/9/01/UnderstandingWebServiceResourceAccess.pdf

dug: agree with Gill

asir: posted the link to the use case to irc
... Section 6.3 use case

<gpilz> wsu:Id

dug: use case does not say it must be this identifier. Otherwise, it will be a problem.

<dug> or a query param :-)

DaveS: it looks like a topic for Primer, not for the specs.

<DaveS> +1

<dug> +1 gil - it can't be about interop

<Bob> +1

Bob: more discussion on this point?

asir: I would like to look further

Bob: next week?

Issue-6692 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6692

<DaveS> [My network here in Japan keeps droping the IRC, so next time it goes, I'll just leave it.]

<gpilz> is there a link to this doc?

<li> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jun/0052.html

asir: presenting the proposal based on F2F WG decision - using Qname and remove mode
... At high level, retain the delivery element, delete mode, using Qname, etc.

dug: some sections are really nice. agree delivery element. Questions about delivery pattern.
... delivery pattern adding a level of complexity. I have a draft proposal.

gpilz: ws-eventing may not have a lot of control on extension works.

asir: we are open to the name of delivery pattern.

bob: Qname is the agreed direction at F2F

tom: dug rewording has a delivery element further down

<li> wu: we need to read more about doug's proposal

<dug> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/9/06/wseventing-DeliveryElement.html

asir: push mode is gone in doug proposal

dug: present his proposal.

bob: if Geoff and Doug can work together to address the differences, I would like to be on the call

Issue-6413 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6413

<Bob> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jun/0070.html

bob: introduce his proposal

DaveS: I am quite happy with this.

ram: would like to see some concrete proposal

dug: 1 and 3 may be o.k., 2 needs details. he can live with it

asir: we are currently exploring these options, need concrete proposal

Yves: preferable for a separate specs

<asir> +1 to separate spec for frags and link it to Transfer

<asir> agree that we need a concrete proposal

Yves: need a better details to move forward

bob: can folks live with points 1 and 3?

asir: we can live with 2 and 3.
... can we have one more week to look into these options?

bob: o.k.

Issue-6917 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6917

gpilz: my proposal 6401 may help this issue.

bob: do we agree with the problem statement?
... we should not preclude topics support

<li> i made some use cases here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009May/0176.html

dug: i do not view this an optimization, may or may not be faster

bob: Li can you start to push forward on this?

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