Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference

15 Feb 2011


See also: IRC log


Alessio Soldano, Red Hat
Bob Freund, Hitachi, Ltd.
Doug Davis, IBM
Gilbert Pilz, Oracle Corp.
Li Li, Avaya Communications
Nathan Burkhart, Microsoft Corp.
Ram Jeyaraman, Microsoft Corp.
Tom Rutt, Fujitsu, Ltd.
Wu Chou, Avaya Communications
Ashok Malhotra, Oracle Corp.
Asir Vedamuthu, Microsoft Corp.
Bob Natale, MITRE Corp.
David Snelling, Fujitsu, Ltd.
Fred Maciel, Hitachi, Ltd.
Jeff Mischkinsky, Oracle Corp.
Katy Warr, IBM
Mark Little, Red Hat
Martin Chapman, Oracle Corp.
Orit Levin, Microsoft Corp.
Paul Fremantle, WSO2
Paul Nolan, IBM
Prasad Yendluri, Software AG
Vikas Varma, Software AG
Wei Jun Kong, CA
Yves Lafon, W3C/ERCIM
Yves Lafon, W3C/ERCIM
Bob Freund, Hitachi, Ltd.
Doug Davis, IBM
Ram Jeyaraman, Microsoft Corp.


<trackbot> Date: 15 February 2011

<Dug> scribenick: Dug

will start a bit late tomorrow - ~9:15am PT to let some people take the cmwg call 7-9 PT

Agenda agree to

RESOLUTION: Agenda agreed to



<scribe> new issue is accepted

Dug explains issue

Gil: might be over-constraining the event source - what's the interop issue


Dug: at least 3 diff ways the event source could go - we need to pick the right one

<gpilz> s/Subscribe response/SubscribeResponse/

and it applies to Enum too

RESOLUTION: resolved as proposed with Gil's edit change



Dug discusses issue

Nathan: does empty Item == Timedout?

Dug: think so

Bob: using flags (like zero items == something else) is a bad idea in general

<trutt> can we define a "magic" response item for this case?

Nathan: would like some flag to indicate why the set is empty

Dug: perhaps add a @Reason attribute to wsen:Items ?

Bob: need a bit more tweaking

<Ram> Awaiting concrete proposal.

Bob: perhaps add an attribute

<scribe> scribenick: Ram

ISSUE 12042

<Dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12042

Doug describes issue. No need to change spec. The examples needs to be improved.

No objections.

RESOLUTION: Issue 12042 resolved as proposed.

Issue 12051

<Dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12051

Li describes proposal.

Proposal accepted and resolved. The proposal is applied to Enum as well.

RESOLUTION: Issue 12051 resolved as proposed.

Issue 12063

<Dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12063


RESOLUTION: Issue 12063 resolved as proposed.

Issue 11790

<Dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11790

RESOLUTION: Issue 11790 resolved as proposed.

Issue 11865

<Dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11865

<Dug> proposal: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=953

Dug describes proposal.

RESOLUTION: Issue 11865 resolved as proposed.

Issue 11766

Waiting for amended proposal,

Waiting for amended proposal.

Issue 11698

<Dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11698

Ram likes option 2 in the proposal.

Gil: The schema is enforcing the spec does not say.

Dug: We follow the pattern for filter and dialect attribute. It defaults to XPath 10.
... If we change it on format, we should do this on filter as well.

Gil: The second sentence in proposal (option 2) needs some reworking.

<gpilz> This OPTIONAL element contains the delivery format to be used for notification messages sent in relation to this subscription. The absence of this element is equivalent to its presence with a @Name value of "http: . . "

<gpilz> Implied value is "http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/ws-evt/DeliveryFormats/Unwrap", which indicates that unwrapped delivery MUST be used. See Section 2.3 Notification Formats for details.

RESOLUTION: Issue 11698 resolved with amendment as proposed by Gil above, comment 3 in bug report.

Issue 11894

Ram: The wording needs some corrections.

Dug: The issue here is "I don't know what the start time is".
... I am suggesting that the client should know what the remaining time is.

<Dug> When expressed as a duration, the wse:GrantedExpires element designates the amount of time remaining on this subscription as measured from the moment the request message was processed. Although this specification cannot dictate when, during the processing of a request message a subscription's remaining time is determined, the event source MUST measure the expiration duration from a time that is at or before the transmission of the response message.

RESOLUTION: Issue 11894 resolved as proposed above and comment 2 in the bug report.

Issue 11724

<Dug> This Mode value indicates that the resource representation referenced by the children of the Expression element MUST be deleted from the resource representation. If the target fragment is not present then this operation MUST have no effect.

RESOLUTION: 11724 with amended text above.

Issue 11772

<Dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11772

Dug: The language attribute is required. I am proposed it to be optional.

RESOLUTION: 11724 with amended text above.

<Bob> break until 10:45 PST

Break until 10:45am PT.

<Dug> The replacement representation could be considered to be invalid if it does not conform to the schema(s) for the target resource, is empty and the implementation does not support empty representations, or otherwise violates some cardinality or type constraint. If an implementation that validates the presented representation detects that the presented representation is invalid for the target resource, then the implementation MUST generate a wst:InvalidRepresentatio


<Dug> proposal: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=956

RESOLUTION: latest proposal (comment #5) is adopted


<Dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=957

Minor changes to the above proposal as being discussed.

<Dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=958&action=edit

<Dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=958

RESOLUTION: 11990 as proposed at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=958.

Bob: All open issues have been resolved.
... If there are no issues that come out of testing today, there won't be a telephone line open tomorrow. I will send an agenda for tomorrow at the end of today!

Testing in session NOW.

Summary of Action Items

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