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the group is welcoming two new members, only they are not here this week - we'll save our introductions until next week.
<pauld> the Working Group offers congratulations and best wishes to Yves in his new role: http://www.w3.org/News/2006#item128
planning an interop event, December for XML 2006 in Boston looks tricky given the AC meeting in Tokyo. Maybe end of November, East Coast USA.
we'll fit in another meeting before then, most probably in Europe if someone can offer to host?
F2F in a couple of weeks, want to be in a position to sausage-machine process our examples and patterns there, so work over the next two meetings is on our process. Do we have a steel thread yet?
this pattern seems to work in tools
people should take a look at the examples and fill in the blanks - please submit examples for issues with no pattern or example.
Yves: do we have a list of issues with examples? (ie process to handle this)
psd: issues are generic, so not bound to one kind of example
the document is a list of patterns
examples are more editorial (in a way it's just what surface when we resolve issues)
Yves: I was thinking more in terms of issue management issues
psd: in the edcopy, each pattern is attached to an issue.
Yves: ok, as the example relates to patterns it's easy to associate examples to issues
gcowe: looks good, but spotted some typeos. happy to move this forward
psd: granularity of patterns an issue we need to solve, especially if two patterns overlap.
Otu: we built a proof of concept using the Microsoft and Mono wsdl.exe tool used against the individual Wsdls, and generated echo services, in .Net and Mono C#. worked fine, with many of the patterns, apart from the ones which didn't work with the toolkits
psd: been working with SOAP4r, xfire and Axis 1.3 in a similar vein, almost ready to publish a framework. We have a proposed log file format which includes code snippits as evidence.
psd: have a script to compare echoed responses to requests, though predictably came unstuck with "float" etc. Thinking of adding XPath 2.0 expressions
Ajith: xmlunit helps comparing two xmls
we need tools to compare the echoed values
<pauld> ACTION: aranabah to work on the echo test client [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/18-databinding-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-52 - Work on the echo test client [on Ajith Ranabahu - due 2006-07-25].
Our testsuite report is going to become the collection of implementations.
psd: still a little scared of publishing results of testing. We need to be 100% sure all our testcases are valid, make sense before we publicly demonstrate how bad things are.
psd: it might be good to have axis2 also for the tests
psd: can we use a Wiki so others can contribute logs and results of running the tests with their tools?
Yves: having external people giving results might be dangerous as we can't verify their claims
a good plan might be to test only with non-commercial and open source impl (maybe with authorization from their authors)
psd: will work with the W3C team on our approach for publishing test results