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<ericP> hmm, i was not invited
<ericP> does the chair mind if i lurk?
no problem eric, please join us
<ericP> tx pauld
pauld: relates progress in the WS-I WG
... preferred outcome?
george: ideal outcome is to have our practice enshired, but as usual practicalities with tools and what our customers want may lead to a different outcome being acceptable.
last weeks minutes approved
canvas of likely f2f participation for the Agenda
expecting WD publication soon
discussion of how we work
pauld: "basic" means "Known to work well with current toolkits" and really aimed at schema authors
pauld: "advanced" means "in widespread use and really no reason to not work well with toolkits"
jonc: and "Design Considerations"?
pauld: unhappy about "Design Considerations" becoming a bucket for "weasel words"
pauld: .. e.g. xs:choice doesn't work in Axis ADB and yet is a basic pattern
george: don't forget that Axis is used in many Websphere implementations
pauld: working on the assumption that doesn't work in .NET at least means *doesn't* fit into basic patterns
pauld: we'll enumerate the tools we're aware of subject to ACTION-19
jonc: happy to use the test report as a means of documenting the toolkits we actually used, rather than those we plan to use.
pauld: others can supply evidence of running our tests to get on the CR report
george: am building an example schema which contains patterns important to Origo
pauld: contribution of individual patterns most helpful in tracking issues and updating our document
pauld: been looking at other vertical schemas, hence last week's DOS attack on the issues list
... am fairly unhappy with this proposal, feel we need some testing in this area may clarify matters for the Basic patterns
jonc: Design Consideration is again a little weak for an obvious problem with tools
george: we use a simple naming convention
... unaware of mapping mechanism in Axis or .NET
<scribe> ACTION: pdowney build test cases for ISSUE-10 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-databinding-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-37 - Build test cases for ISSUE-10 [on Paul Downey - due 2006-05-16].
jonc: test cases are a good way to document "anti-patterns"
pauld: these patterns don't prevent other patterns being added if they interoperate, e.g. multiple schema locations. Our experience is these patterns work well and are good enough.
RESOLUTION: ISSUE-39 closed with enclosed proposed patterns
pauld: took Basic Profile text on schema document encoding, makes sense if we're at least as restrictive, if not more so.
george: happy with this, we currently make use of ISO-8859-1, but expect to move to UTF-8 soon
RESOLUTION: close ISSUE-40 with enclosed proposal
george: unaware of issues with databinding and documentation elements
jonc: seen issues with a large WSDL documents and XMLSpy
pauld: would simple test cases help in this area?
<scribe> ACTION: pdowney to produce a documentation pattern test case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-databinding-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-38 - Produce a documentation pattern test case [on Paul Downey - due 2006-05-16].
pauld: version discussed in WSDL WG
jonc: does it change anything on the wire?
RESOLUTION: close ISSUE-42 with enclosed proposal
o2: been working on the automated test kits, making progress