ACTION-500: Coordinate about TAG participation in IETF/IAB panel at March 2011 IETF

Coordinate about TAG participation in IETF/IAB panel at March 2011 IETF

State:
closed
Person:
Larry Masinter
Due on:
February 15, 2011
Created on:
November 5, 2010
Associated Product:
Coordination with IAB (of IETF) on architecture of web applications
Related emails:
  1. Agenda for the 17 March 2011 TAG telcon (from jar@creativecommons.org on 2011-03-15)
  2. Re: Agenda for TAG teleconference of 10 March 2011 (from ashok.malhotra@oracle.com on 2011-03-10)
  3. Agenda for TAG teleconference of 10 March 2011 (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2011-03-09)
  4. Re: Agenda for TAG teleconference of 3 March 2011 (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2011-03-02)
  5. Re: Agenda for TAG teleconference of 3 March 2011 (from jar@creativecommons.org on 2011-03-02)
  6. Minutes for 24 Feb 2011 TAG teleconference (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2011-03-02)
  7. Agenda for TAG teleconference of 3 March 2011 (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2011-03-02)
  8. ACTION-500 Slides for Henry (from ashok.malhotra@oracle.com on 2011-02-25)
  9. Agenda for TAG Teleconference of 24 February 2011 (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2011-02-23)
  10. Draft minutes of the 8-10 February 2011 TAG F2F Meeting are now available (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2011-02-21)
  11. Draft minutes of the 8-10 February 2011 TAG F2F Meeting are now available (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2011-02-21)
  12. Re: ACTION-500: TAG Presentation to IETF (from masinter@adobe.com on 2011-02-07)
  13. Re: ACTION-500: TAG Presentation to IETF (from masinter@adobe.com on 2011-02-07)
  14. Stable agenda for TAG F2F of 8-10 February 2011 (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2011-02-05)
  15. Panel at March IETF on 'web applications' (from masinter@adobe.com on 2011-02-03)
  16. Draft minutes of TAG telcon of 2011-01-13 available (from ht@inf.ed.ac.uk (Henry S. Thompson) on 2011-01-14)
  17. Re: Agenda for TAG teleconference of 13 January 2011 (from Daniel.Appelquist@vodafone.com on 2011-01-13)
  18. Agenda for TAG teleconference of 13 January 2011 (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2011-01-11)
  19. Agenda for TAG Teleconference of 6 January 2011 (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2011-01-04)
  20. Agenda for TAG teleconference of 16 Dec 2010 (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2010-12-14)
  21. Agenda for the TAG teleconference of 2 Dec. 2010 (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2010-11-30)
  22. Agenda for the TAG teleconference of 18 November 2010 (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2010-11-17)
  23. Re: ACTION-500: TAG Presentation to IETF (from ashok.malhotra@oracle.com on 2010-11-16)
  24. Re: ACTION-500: TAG Presentation to IETF (from ashok.malhotra@oracle.com on 2010-11-16)
  25. RE: ACTION-500: TAG Presentation to IETF (from masinter@adobe.com on 2010-11-16)
  26. ACTION-500: TAG Presentation to IETF (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2010-11-16)
  27. Minutes for Nov 5 (from ashok.malhotra@oracle.com on 2010-11-14)

Related notes:

I'm willing to talk to Thomas & Philippe about this... even if not March 2011 IETF

Larry Masinter, 13 Jan 2011, 09:01:50

Possibly talk about what the W3C and IETF could do in the long run, and see if just announcing that at Prague.

Larry Masinter, 13 Jan 2011, 18:46:22

sent a note to Alexey, will follow up at Prague meeting about better IETF/W3C TAG coordination.

Larry Masinter, 1 Feb 2011, 15:13:22

IAB plenary panel description:

Advancements in the design of web browsers have introduced fundamental
changes to the architecture of application protocols. The widespread
availability and growing sophistication of JavaScript interpreters in
browsers enables web servers to push to browsers all of the application
logic required to implement a client-server protocol. Consequently, many
client-server applications that once required an installed client on a
host computer now can rely simply on a modern browser to act as a client
for the purposes of a particular application. For example, where once
email clients required a custom application to access an inbox,
increasingly a web browser can serve this purpose as well as the
purpose-built applications of the past. Similarly, HTTP with the
assistance of JavaScript can subsume the functions performed by the
protocols like POP3 and IMAP. The need for Internet standards beyond
HTTP to implement an email inbox application consequently diminishes -
why author standards and worry about interoperability of clients and
servers when the server can simply push to the client all the code it
needs to be interoperable?

Many client-server applications on the Internet could potential migrate
to this post-standardization environment. In this environment, there is
of course still a role for the IETF to play: existing working groups
like HyBi and OAuth are examples of areas where standards work is still
required to support this application development paradigm. Collectively,
we need to identify areas where the standardization is unlikely to be
relevant in the future, and focus our efforts on those areas where our
application designs will remain impactful.

Larry Masinter, 3 Feb 2011, 15:46:36

(updated Title, make due date for after F2F but in time for March IETF meeting)

Larry Masinter, 3 Feb 2011, 15:49:43

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