<DanC> DO notes record low sunlight for the month of June (or was it July?)
<DanC> for Vancouver
<scribe> Scribe: dorchard
Date: 12 July 2005
possible regrets, WS-Addressing f2f
norm: possible regrets
Chairs concern: Grid rep from HTP and possibly IBM will be present, so we should have a fairly full group of attendees
general discussion about postponing or not postponing grid discussion..
<DanC> "20-22 Sep 2005, in Edinburgh" -- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/
Next telcon cancelled.
<DanC> next telcon: 23 Aug 2005
Next telcon: Aug 23
discussion about minutes from last week...
minutes approved with changes
<DanC> ed regrets in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/05-tagmem-minutes.html $Date: 2005/09/01 07:36:08 $
does namespace name identify information resource or not?
<DanC> (er... of course... who asked otherwise? oh.)
norm: should talk about what ns name does
dan: some ns names have # in them
<scribe> ACTION: norm to follow up on noah's message on ns name
<DanC> looks good... http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/06/23-rddl/
<Norm> I think some folks would argue that namespace names aren't information resources and they must therefor use the 302 response code work-around that we discussed. In that case, it's a bad idea to put any document at the namespace name.
<DanC> examples e.g. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/06/23-rddl/rddl1.xml
<DanC> I think I'll review those.
<DanC> (ed, did you make much progress on reviewing the ws-addressing docs?)
<DanC> (hmm... maybe ws endpoints should use id@domain syntax rather than scheme:path URI syntax.)
<DanC> DO explains how message passing is orthogonal to having representations of resources available (e.g. by HTTP GET)
ed: worked on xri rather than ws-addressing
... why does ws need state
<DanC> (is the "my yahoo" pattern on our issues list yet? people keep asking me about it and I keep saying "yes, the TAG should say something about that")
state is on the web, not just web services. http cookies are almost always used for stateful identifiers.
<Norm> Hello ht
dave: the vast majority of web services are not on the web. Same with almost all uses of web sites with http cookies.
<DanC> (except for formal decisions and actions, anything the scribe can capture is gravy, imo)
Henry: somebody should write up discussion about "state".
<ht> So the questions of context, statefulness, etc. have been raised a number of times
<DanC> cookies are no different from other forms of authentication, architecturally.
<ht> Surely there's something in the issues list already about cookies vs. the 'back' button???
<DanC> actually, I just looked, and no, there isn't, ht. I agree there should be.
I volunteer to write up something about state in distributed application design
<DanC> ("state" is an overloaded word... GET is supposed to GET you the state of a resource, too, but that's an orthogonal meaning of "state")
<scribe> ACTION: David to write material on state in distributed application design
<DanC> 28 Jun minutes?
<DanC> looks ok to me. $Date: 01-09-2005 - 09:36$
<ht> I confess that I always have to stop and think before I can explain that interaction, so I sure hope a nice Dirk and Nadia story about that can be part of what Dave is writing . . .
<DanC> (re namespaceState , xml:id is a PR today)
<DanC> NDW to work with HT, DO on namespaceState continues
Norm: work on a write up on namespace-48
<DanC> ht's mention of xpointer registry reminds me of uriMediaType-9: Why does the Web use mime types and not URIs? http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?type=1#uriMediaType-9
henry: Within a week, AC will be asked to approve opening up of xpointer scheme namespace space by an online registry.
<Norm> I have qualms about the registry too
<DanC> (persistent identifier workshop... any public records, ht?)
<ht> my talk: http://www.dcc.ac.uk/docs/persistence.html
<DanC> dan's action on 25 is withdrawn
Dan's action is withdrawn.
<DanC> action on RDFinXHTML-35 , rather
<DanC> my action is subsumed by what we did in Cambridge. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/06/14-16-minutes.html#item021
making progress on schema use in web services action item