Minutes for W3C Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference, Wednesday, April 22, 2020 from Dyer, Dee on 2020-04-22 (public-pronunciation@w3.org from April 2020)

From: Dyer, Dee <ddyer@ets.org>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:08:36 +0000
To: "Ali, Irfan" <iali@ets.org>, Pronunciation Task Force <public-pronunciation@w3.org>
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Hi All,

The meeting minutes can be accessed via the following link: https://www.w3.org/2020/04/22-pronunciation-minutes.html. They are also available as text in this email. Please note that we had some connectivity issues. Christine was the scribe for the first part of the meeting and Dee took over for the latter part.


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- DRAFT -
Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference
22 Apr 2020
Attendees
Present
Irfan, paul_grenier, JF, janina, Roy, SteveNoble
Regrets
Chair
Irfan Ali
Scribe
Christine
Contents

  *   Topics<https://www.w3.org/2020/04/22-pronunciation-minutes.html#agenda>
     *   Pronunciation documents and announcements<https://www.w3.org/2020/04/22-pronunciation-minutes.html#item01>
     *   Next step for gap analysis and Use-case document<https://www.w3.org/2020/04/22-pronunciation-minutes.html#item02>
     *   technical approach document<https://www.w3.org/2020/04/22-pronunciation-minutes.html#item03>
     *   github issues<https://www.w3.org/2020/04/22-pronunciation-minutes.html#item04>
     *   technical approach document<https://www.w3.org/2020/04/22-pronunciation-minutes.html#item05>
  *   Summary of Action Items<https://www.w3.org/2020/04/22-pronunciation-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
  *   Summary of Resolutions<https://www.w3.org/2020/04/22-pronunciation-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary>

________________________________

<Irfan> ACTION: Roy to create a track

<trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Create a track [on Ruoxi Ran - due 2020-04-29].

<paul_grenier> "host has another meeting in progress"

<Roy> Could we switch to Webex? I will check with host about this situation

<Irfan> Roy- could you please check it out?

<paul_grenier> Let me guess, we're sharing an account with another group and they don't realize when they go over time it means we can't start.

<Irfan> Webex # 1.617.324.0000

<Irfan> passcode: 643 546 488

<Roy> Michael created this meeting room, I try to reach out him

<janina> Zoom doesn't want to open the meeting. Says: "The host has another meeting in progress."

<Roy> How about use Backup connection: WebEx?

<janina> Who's the host?

<Irfan> please join on webex

<Dee> Yes, I receive the same message as Janina

<Roy> Michael is the host

Irfan has WebEx open, please join using the back up WebEx connection

<Roy> We could use the backup

<mhakkinen> are we using webex?

<Dee> I have joined via Webex

Pronunciation documents and announcements

Irfan: Any updates about the announcement?

<SteveNoble> presebt+

Janina: We will have some additional information after this afternoon's meeting, with the topic of status of documents

Next step for gap analysis and Use-case document

<Irfan> https://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-gap-analysis-and-use-cases/


Irfan: Review of these documents requires some changes to the examples; three different examples that may need to be consolidated

Paul: Please create a GitHub issue
... implementations are different; need more guidance

Irfan: Examples are subsets of one example or one block

technical approach document

Irfan: Prototypes and proof of concept in progress, based om explainer document (in-line and attribute model). What other examples do we need to create?

Paul: Pronounceable text from schema.org
... The strongest candidates are schema.org and CSS speech. We need a rich example to highlight, with challenges or places where it would fail

Irfan: John was going to connect with someone at schema.org

John: I don't recall specifics, but the microdata and authoring structure is very convoluted. They have a core library of taxonomy terms, we can possibly add an extension to their schema

Irfan: Follow up required.

John: What is the specific ask for schema.org?

Paul: Highlight the piece that can be implemented; need a good example to work from across all implementations to show SSML and attribute model
... Examples include something that changes verbosity, HTML markup, SSML characteristics, etc.

Janina: include inline language switching

John: Add code element, to show as a value-add

Janina: also punctuations
... include code examples across multiple domains

John: STEM use-cases

Mark: SSML examples for chemistry are available that we can share
... are we adding code elements to the speech markup

Paul: Accessibility audits show code block with annotations, which can all be connected with future implementations, to indicate speakable block

John: Do we have examples that we can review?

<paul_grenier> https://bulbenergy.github.io/bulb-audit/patterns/general/form-errors/#individual-form-errors


John: Microdata can be very onerous for authors

<Dee> Mark: will post examples from Chemistry

<Dee> Irfan: Can add more examples.

<Dee> Janina: Reach out to DPUB

<Dee> Need examples for symbols that could be pronounced differently depending upon context.

<Dee> Knowledge domain content needs to be pronounced appropriately.

<paul_grenier> https://w3c.github.io/annotation-aria/


<Dee> Irfan: Should we add aria annotation to our use case?

<Dee> Janina: Talk about it in APA.

<Dee> Janina: As well as talk to DPUB

<Dee> Janina: Digital Publishing Working Group

<Dee> Janina: Compelling case, code sample with symbols that need to be pronounced differently.

<Dee> Janina: Reminder for TPAC conversation. Decide by May 13 if there is anybody with whom we want to meet, need agenda items, etc.

github issues

<Dee> Janina: Cannot be available for the May 6 call, neither can JF.

<Dee> Irfan: Horizontal reviews, working groups involved.

<Dee> Irfan: Most of the issues would be addressed during the horizontal reviews. Most may be related to internationaliztion.

<Dee> Paul: Issues are aging.

<Dee> Irfan: Looking at issues.

technical approach document

<Dee> Irfan: a member from TexHelp is in the process of joining.

Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Roy to create a track


Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]


Thank you,

Dee Dyer
Assessment Process Specialist
Technology, Accessibility, and Innovation
Assessment and Learning Technology Development (ALTD)
609-683-2127

From: Ali, Irfan <iali@ets.org<mailto:iali@ets.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:47 PM
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Agenda+ Next step for gap analysis document

Agenda+ technical approach document

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Irfan Ali
Principal Research System Specialist
Accessibility Standards & Inclusive Technology Group (ASIT)
C-130, 660 Rosedale Road
Princeton, NJ 08541
Phone: (O)609-524-8181
           (C)917-349-2698
Email: iali@ets.org<mailto:iali@ets.org>

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From: "Ali, Irfan" <iali@ets.org<mailto:iali@ets.org>>
Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 8:12 PM
To: Pronunciation Task Force <public-pronunciation@w3.org<mailto:public-pronunciation@w3.org>>
Subject: Agenda: W3C Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference, Wednesday, April 22, 2020
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Irfan Ali
Principal Research System Specialist
Accessibility Standards & Inclusive Technology Group (ASIT)
C-130, 660 Rosedale Road
Princeton, NJ 08541
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