- From: r12a <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 15:51:48 +0000
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https://www.w3.org/2019/03/28-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
28 Mar 2019
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2019Mar/0030.html
Attendees
Present
atsushi, Addison, Katy, JcK, David, r12a, Bert, Jeff
Regrets
JcK
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison, addison_
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Agenda and Minutes
2. [5]Action Items
3. [6]Info Share
4. [7]RADAR and Active Work Review
5. [8]Retiring charmod-resid
6. [9]Non-Semitic text RTL document review
7. [10]rechartering
8. [11]I18N resolutions (continued from last meeting)
9. [12]AOB
* [13]Summary of Action Items
* [14]Summary of Resolutions
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<addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
<agendabot> clear agenda
<addison> Scribenick: addison
Agenda and Minutes
Action Items
[15]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[15] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-724?
<trackbot> action-724 -- Addison Phillips to Review "awaiting
comment resolution" items and follow up -- due 2018-06-07 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/724
[16] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/724
close action-724
<trackbot> Closed action-724.
close action-728
<trackbot> Closed action-728.
action-730?
<trackbot> action-730 -- Richard Ishida to Write an article
about rtl usage for non-semitic text particularly historic
scripts -- due 2018-06-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/730
[17] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/730
close action-730
<trackbot> Closed action-730.
action-784?
<trackbot> action-784 -- Richard Ishida to Announce short
checklist on home page and via tweet, addison to send to
chairs@ -- due 2019-03-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/784
[18] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/784
<scribe> done. Addison to announce
action-788?
<trackbot> action-788 -- Addison Phillips to Remind folks to
review non-semitic text rtl document -- due 2019-03-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[19]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/788
[19] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/788
close action-788
<trackbot> Closed action-788.
action-789?
<trackbot> action-789 -- Richard Ishida to Revive issue 96 with
css as a github issue -- due 2019-03-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[20]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/789
[20] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/789
close action-789
<trackbot> Closed action-789.
Info Share
richard: investigating greek this week
... had leapfrogged greek and georgian when dived into sea
scripts
... but quite interesting things about these scripts
<r12a>
[21]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/case-conversion.ht
ml
[21] https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/case-conversion.html
richard: rewriting some of the tests
... this one is freshly done
... case conversion for greek and georgian
... all caps in greek only work if text labeled as being in
Greek!
... here's another reason to use lang correctly
... also changed how tests work
... bottom of page shows assertion, more notes about how test
works and what it is testing
... wished we had for a long time
... went with TTWF model
... but starting to move away from minimal test surface they
have
... ours are more useful, having explanation of what's going on
... often explained in source, but no one looks there
... have to do more work to get into WPT format
addison: like this
RADAR and Active Work Review
[22]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
[22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
[23]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
[23] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
[24]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
[24] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
<atsushi> listening, but leave from desk for ~10min. sorry.
Retiring charmod-resid
<r12a>
[25]https://www.w3.org/TR/2004/CR-charmod-resid-20041122/
[25] https://www.w3.org/TR/2004/CR-charmod-resid-20041122/
should we resolve to remove charmod resid from CR status,
publish as a NOTE, and retire the document
please vote now
+1
<r12a> +1
David: +1 (via voice)
<Katy> +1
<Bert> +1
<Jeff> +1
so resolved
RESOLVED: remove charmod-resid from CR status, publish as a
NOTE, and retire the document
Non-Semitic text RTL document review
richard: document as written uses <bdo> everywhere
... which means direction is encoded in markup
... so direction remains even when CSS goes away
... what you want 99% of the time
... this is what it actually looks like
... document is okay for that.
... example of taiwanese; can be argued direction is a styling
choice
... so should change minus styling to be LTR presented
... like taiwanese newpaper example
... in addition to markup
... plan to change doc to say 2 use cases
... continue to use markup, <span> with class
rechartering
richard: discussed with PLH this week
... when we take on ITS docs
... nothing changes until/unless we decide to work on them
... what will happen is not just disclosure, but also patent
agreements
... could do now
... also our own recs
... charmod, ruby spec
<atsushi> back
I18N resolutions (continued from last meeting)
<Katy> [26]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/52
[26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/52
katy: 3 looking to close. that's the first one
... that's now part of a rec
close
RESOLVED: close issue 52
<Katy> [27]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/25
[27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/25
katy: seems to be fixed
RESOLVED: close issue 25
<Katy> [28]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/97
[28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/97
RESOLVED: close issue 97
<addison_> scribenick: addison_
<r12a> pending items:
<r12a> css-writing-modes
<r12a> html
<r12a> • input type=email change proposals
<r12a>
[29]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/link_to_issue_ra
ised
[29] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/link_to_issue_raised
<scribe> ACTION: addison: add list of pending issues to next
week's agenda
<r12a> • Stylesheet in rendering section should use logical
properties for margins etc
<r12a> [30]https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/1221
[30] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/1221
<r12a> • UAs may have somewhat more liberal handling of the dir
attribute than the spec does
<r12a> [31]https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2769
[31] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2769
<trackbot> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to
Tracker. Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what
happened.
<r12a> • Add navigator.locales to expose additional locale
details
<r12a> [32]https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/3046
[32] https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/3046
<r12a> • Add a timezonechange event to Window/WorkerGlobalScope
<r12a> [33]https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/3047
[33] https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/3047
<r12a> verifiable-claims
<r12a> • Example uses a timestamp for what should just be a
(floating) date value
<r12a>
[34]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/link_to_issue_ra
ised
[34] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/link_to_issue_raised
<r12a> • Have fields for locale-specific information (names,
addresses, etc.) been checked?
<r12a>
[35]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/link_to_issue_ra
ised
[35] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/link_to_issue_raised
<r12a> svg
<r12a> • systemLanguage is not clear about case-insensitive
matches
<r12a> [36]https://github.com/w3c/svgwg/issues/517
[36] https://github.com/w3c/svgwg/issues/517
<r12a> media-capture-and-streams
<r12a> • highly detailed text in video content
<r12a>
[37]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/link_to_issue_ra
ised
[37] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/link_to_issue_raised
<r12a> dpub-annotation-uc
<r12a> • i18n-ISSUE-458: 2.1.3 general observation about
language identification
<r12a> [38]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/76
[38] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/76
<r12a> • i18n-ISSUE-457: 2.1.1 Comment on title or on
publication?
<r12a> [39]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/75
[39] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/75
<r12a> ACTION: Richard to raise tracker action error with
sysreq
<trackbot> Created ACTION-791 - Raise tracker action error with
sysreq [on Richard Ishida - due 2019-04-04].
AOB
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: add list of pending issues to next
week's agenda
[NEW] ACTION: Richard to raise tracker action error with sysreq
Summary of Resolutions
1. [40]remove charmod-resid from CR status, publish as a NOTE,
and retire the document
2. [41]close issue 52
3. [42]close issue 25
4. [43]close issue 97
[End of minutes]
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