- From: r12a <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 12:16:02 +0000
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https://www.w3.org/2020/12/03-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
03 Dec 2020
[2]Agenda
[2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Nov/0017.html
Attendees
Present
addison, Fuqiao, Felix, Atsushi, fsasaki, Richard, Bert,
JcK, fantasai
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Agenda
2. [5]Action Items
3. [6]Info Share
4. [7]Radar
5. [8]WAI-ARIA 1.2 review
6. [9]Charmod case folding example
7. [10]WAI-ARIA 1.2 review
8. [11]CSS3 Text
9. [12]AOB?
* [13]Summary of Action Items
* [14]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
<agendabot> Sorry, I did not find an agenda.
trackbot, prepare teleconference
<agendabot> addison, sorry, I did not recognize any agenda in
[15]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020N
ov/0017.html
[15] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Nov/0017.html
Agenda
Action Items
[16]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[16] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-974?
<trackbot> action-974 -- Addison Phillips to Produce additional
text in charmod-norm with worked example of canonical casefold
matching -- due 2020-11-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/974
[17] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/974
action-976?
<trackbot> action-976 -- Addison Phillips to Ask wai for more
time on wai-aria 1.2 -- due 2020-11-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/976
[18] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/976
close action-976
<trackbot> Closed action-976.
action-978?
<trackbot> action-978 -- Addison Phillips to Create issues on
specdev from issue 989 -- due 2020-11-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[19]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/978
[19] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/978
close action-978
<trackbot> Closed action-978.
action-979?
<trackbot> action-979 -- Addison Phillips to Forward webauthn
2.0 comments -- due 2020-11-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[20]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/979
[20] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/979
close action-979
<trackbot> Closed action-979.
Info Share
richard: restarted writing article that talks about how
conjuncts happen in indic scripts
... and how that complicates handling grapheme clusters
addison: the webauthn string handling section touched this
richard: truncation... thinking about articles or even charmod
fundamentals
Radar
[21]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
[21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
css3-text
richard: raised a small issue and one other
... fantasai did an edit but don't understand how it works now
... line boxes having a direction that doesn't affect directio
of the text
... don't understand
... other place says there's a place that says otherwise
... might be to do with alignment of the text
it's [22]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5759
[22] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5759
richard: might need another term
... someone else can have a look?
addison: deep review or just soe edits?
richard: no issue with additions since april
addison: open issues?
<xfq> Open tracker issues:
[23]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/labels/s%3Acss-text
[23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/labels/s:css-text
<xfq> needs-resolution issues:
[24]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aopen+lab
el%3As%3Acss-text+label%3Aneeds-resolution
[24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:open+label:s:css-text+label:needs-resolution
<scribe> ACTION: richard: review css-3 issues with xfq@
<trackbot> Created ACTION-980 - Review css-3 issues with xfq@
[on Richard Ishida - due 2020-12-10].
<scribe> ACTION: addison: update css3-text review request with
scheduling thoughts and asking for fantasai's help reviewing
opens
<trackbot> Created ACTION-981 - Update css3-text review request
with scheduling thoughts and asking for fantasai's help
reviewing opens [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-12-10].
WAI-ARIA 1.2 review
<xfq> [25]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/91
[25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/91
xfq: for DOM we have an old issue in radar under awaiting,
should close?
addison: yes please
Charmod case folding example
<Bert> (The WAI ARIA attribute I mentioned now has -> issue
#996 [26]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/996)
[26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/996
WAI-ARIA 1.2 review
addison: worth raising with additional question richard
mentions
CSS3 Text
<r12a> [27]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5759
[27] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5759
<fantasai>
e[28]https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-3/#bidi-linebox
[28] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-3/#bidi-linebox
richard: didn't quite get my head around inline base direction
of the linebox
... if you look at defn of inline base direct
... it affects order of content
... but here it says it does NOT affect order
... affects alignment of line and things like that rather than
base direction
... do you need a diff term? or did I not understand?
fantasai: multiple concepts here
... bidi plaintext pulledout
... containing blocks direct
... line blox dir
... and bidi reordering
... could try to make these words more distinct
... basically, all the same thing normally
<r12a> [29]https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-3/#bidi-linebox
[29] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-3/#bidi-linebox
fantasai: with unicode plaintext we have the concept of the
line box, all 3 can be diff
... linebox indentation and alignment
... sized or positioned, but not the reordering of contents
... ordering of contents by bidi paragraph direction (I'll call
it)
... that's from UBA
... affects neutral resolution and reorder
... and then there is the containing block
... doesnt have...
richard: you have a containing block that contains various line
blocks
... and also various paragraphs if plaintext
... and paras can have lineboxes beccaus emultiple lines
fantasai: line box belongs to containing block
... content content contains by linebox and sometimes by
containing
... bidi paras split on forced linebreak
<r12a>
[30]https://drafts.csswg.org/css-writing-modes-4/#inline-base-d
irection
[30] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-writing-modes-4/#inline-base-direction
fantasai: linebox belongs to single bidi para
... dir of linebox is that of para in most cases
... if empty or no strongs then takes dir from previous linebox
... bidi para and line box might not then have same dir
...
arabic\n...\narabic
<fantasai> <p>The <a spec=css-writing-modes-3>start</a> and <a
spec=css-writing-modes-3>end</a> sides of a line box
<fantasai> are determined by the <a>inline base direction</a>
of the line box.
<fantasai> Although they usually match,
<JcK> I'm going to need to drop within the next few minutes.
<fantasai> the [=inline base direction=] of a [=line box=]
<fantasai> is distinct from the [=inline base direction=]
<fantasai> of the [=containing block=] or the [=bidi
paragraph=].
<fantasai> The [=line box=]’s [=inline base direction=] affects
<fantasai> 'text-align-all', 'text-align-last', 'text-indent',
and 'hanging-punctuation'--
<fantasai> i.e. the position and alignment of its contents with
respect to its edges.
<fantasai> It does not affect the formatting or ordering of
inline content
<fantasai> (which is controlled by the Unicode bidirectional
algorithm
<fantasai> as applied by [[CSS-WRITING-MODES-3]]).
AOB?
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: update css3-text review request with
scheduling thoughts and asking for fantasai's help reviewing
opens
[NEW] ACTION: richard: review css-3 issues with xfq@
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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