- From: r12a <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 16:18:04 +0000
- To: www-international@w3.org
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https://www.w3.org/2021/11/04-i18n-minutes.html
– DRAFT –
Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
04 November 2021
[2]Agenda. [3]IRC log.
[2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Nov/0003.html
[3] https://www.w3.org/2021/11/04-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
addison, Atsushi, Bert, David, Fatima, Fuqiao, JcK,
r12a, Richard
Regrets
Felix
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Bert
Contents
1. [4]Agenda Review
2. [5]Action Items
3. [6]Info Share
4. [7]RADAR Review
5. [8]What time is this meeting at?
6. [9]Whither trackbot?
7. [10]IFD review
8. [11]Closing the loop on Payment Request
9. [12]AOB?
10. [13]Summary of action items
Meeting minutes
<addison> topic #i18n Remember the time change!!
<r12a> see [14]https://www.w3.org/2017/09/
i18n-meeting-info.html
[14] https://www.w3.org/2017/09/i18n-meeting-info.html
Agenda Review
Action Items
<addison> [15]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/
open
[15] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-1034?
<trackbot> [16]action-1034: Addison Phillips to Triage awaiting
comment resolution items -- due 2021-06-24 -- OPEN
[16] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1034
<addison> action-1090?
<trackbot> [17]action-1090: Addison Phillips to Reach out to
apa about potential joint publication of t2s ruby requirements
with i18n -- due 2021-11-04 -- OPEN
[17] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1090
<addison> close action-1090
<trackbot> Closed action-1090.
action-1091?
<trackbot> [18]action-1091: Atsushi Shimono to Create repo for
ruby t2s doc -- due 2021-11-04 -- OPEN
[18] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1091
<atsushi> [19]https://w3c.github.io/ruby-t2s-req/
[19] https://w3c.github.io/ruby-t2s-req/
atsushi: I did.
<addison> close action-1091
<trackbot> Closed action-1091.
Info Share
<xfq> [20]https://www.w3.org/2021/
Process-20211102/#changes-2020
[20] https://www.w3.org/2021/Process-20211102/#changes-2020
xfq: On Tuesday, Process 2021 was approved.
… There is a new registries track.
… But not required. Can also still make WDs and RECs.
… NOTEs track now separate from REC track. So NOTE drafts are
not called WD anymore, but Draft Note.
… And a NOTE can be endorsed and become a Statement.
r12a: Sounds like what we tried to avoid by publishing NOTEs
instead of RECs...
addison: Also interesting in the process: horizontal review for
updating RECs is sketchily described.
… I hope we don't get any ‘I want to update my REC next week’
requests.
r12a: We need to talk more with Philippe and stress reviews at
the start.
… URL vs URI, what is the reference for URIs?
addison: The WHATWG spec on URL has a kind of profile for URI.
JcK: RFC 3986/3987 is maybe half, a little too focused on http.
RADAR Review
Next week is 11 Nov, Armistice 1918 in France and the US.
<addison> [21]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
[21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
addison: No new review requests.
What time is this meeting at?
addison: I'll need to move the comments of Payment
Confirmation, which we decided last time.
addison: Current time OK?
david_clarke: time OK for now, but not sure what my new job
will be like.
<addison> [22]https://everytimezone.com/?t=61832280,384
[22] https://everytimezone.com/?t=61832280,384
Whither trackbot?
<r12a> [23]https://www.w3.org/2017/09/i18n-meeting-info.html
[23] https://www.w3.org/2017/09/i18n-meeting-info.html
addison: Trackbot is being deprecated. GitHub is recommended.
How do we do action items now?
trackbot, help?
<trackbot> Please see <[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/
irc> for help.
[24] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
<addison> [25]https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
[25] https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
David_clarke: 16 years. Long-running software is good.
xfq: If we still use it, they will still support it.
r12a: That warning on the IRC page seems to have been there
since 4 month. So we may not be in imminent dager.
addison: Trackbot integration with IRC is nice. Could use a
GitHub project board, but...
IFD review
<atsushi> [26]https://w3c.github.io/IFT/Overview.html
[26] https://w3c.github.io/IFT/Overview.html
<atsushi> [27]https://www.w3.org/TR/PFE-evaluation/
[27] https://www.w3.org/TR/PFE-evaluation/
atsushi: spec based on a report.
… They tried to transfer per glyph, not code point.
… This spec tries to transfer code points.
… But seems not to be working.
… Some fonts have dedicated glyphs.
addison: Maybe if they also transfer all code points related to
a given code point...
atsushi: Maybe we should ask them.
r12a: Chris and Myles [spec editors] should be aware of the
issue.
addison: In indic scripts, e.g., you may need all the
vowel-marked and conjuncts.
<r12a> [28]https://www.w3.org/TR/PFE-evaluation/
[28] https://www.w3.org/TR/PFE-evaluation/
addison: I don't quite see how this can be used. Maybe for
simple fonts, when code point = glyph.
r12a: The report shows some arabic glyphs. I cannot remember
what my conclusions were when I read it :-(
addison: The report contains the sort of things we talked
about, so they do know.
r12a: The conclusion (section 6) has something.
addison: What does the last para, about massive cost increase,
mean?
david_clarke: Network latency?
atsushi: compared to rendering time [scribe missed]
addison: Do we have a question to ask them?
r12a: Seems good to have a section about its usage. Although it
does already point to the report.
… Maybe a summary of the report can be added to set the scope
of the spec. It seems it is not to be used for scripts that
need shaping, e.g.
xfq: It says there will be a separate document for other
methods than Patch.
david_clarke: There may be an issue with fingerprinting: if you
download specific pieces of a font.
r12a: Yes, that makes sense, for some kinds of small content.
<xfq> [29]Privacy section is entirely missing
[29] https://github.com/w3c/IFT/issues/31
atsushi: Web fonts and caching, may be hard to fingerprint.
addison: But I can place a rare glyph in a page and if you
request it, I know you looked at the page.
… atsushi, do you want to draft comments? Do you need help?
atsushi: I would first ask why they choose to base it on code
points rather than glyphs. I can draft a comment on GitHub.
… I will add it to our tracker.
addison: Don't wait to send it to them.
… Should we raise a fingerprinting issue?
Closing the loop on Payment Request
<r12a> [30]https://github.com/w3c/payment-request/pull/971/
files
[30] https://github.com/w3c/payment-request/pull/971/files
r12a: We could, but maybe not as a WG, as it is a security
question [not i18n] question.
r12a: pull request adds a note that seems to say all we asked
for.
addison: Might avoid the word ‘may’, as it is a technical term.
r12a: I'd prefer not to avoid ‘may’ and rather style it
specially when used normatively.
xfq: As a note, it is non-normative in essence.
addison: Shall I do a review and comment and approve?
r12a: Yes, I think so.
addison: Language negotiation is a separate thing.
r12a: And we don't expect to resolve that before they publish
this.
addison: OK, I will approve it then.
Action: addison: file review approving payment request text
plus personal comment on 'may'
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1092 - File review approving payment
request text plus personal comment on 'may' [on Addison
Phillips - due 2021-11-11].
Action: addison: ping localizable thread and seek to resolve
next steps with whatwg
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1093 - Ping localizable thread and
seek to resolve next steps with whatwg [on Addison Phillips -
due 2021-11-11].
addison: We should talk to TC39 about a datatype for
localizable string. That's a slow process. Should I start it?
Discussion about the words localization vs localizable vs
internationalization.
Action: addison: start conversation with ecma-402 et al about
webidl work
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1094 - Start conversation with
ecma-402 et al about webidl work [on Addison Phillips - due
2021-11-11].
addison: r12a, was there a response from Alan on CSS?
… I reserved a slot in my agenda.
Thanksgiving is the 25th.
AOB?
<r12a> s/<r12a> addison, i think you're an hour early//
<r12a> s/<r12a> :-) good job !//
<r12a> s/<addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference//
<r12a> s/<addison> topic #i18n Remember the time change!!//
<r12a> s/ :-) good job !//
<r12a> s/ :-) good job !//
Summary of action items
1. [31]addison: file review approving payment request text
plus personal comment on 'may'
2. [32]addison: ping localizable thread and seek to resolve
next steps with whatwg
3. [33]addison: start conversation with ecma-402 et al about
webidl work
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