BEGIN:VCALENDAR VERSION:2.0 PRODID:-//Sabre//Sabre VObject 4.5.8//EN CALSCALE:GREGORIAN LAST-MODIFIED:20251208T194633Z BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:America/Los_Angeles X-MICROSOFT-CDO-TZID:13 BEGIN:STANDARD DTSTART:20231105T090000 TZOFFSETFROM:-0700 TZOFFSETTO:-0800 TZNAME:PST END:STANDARD BEGIN:STANDARD DTSTART:20241103T090000 TZOFFSETFROM:-0700 TZOFFSETTO:-0800 TZNAME:PST END:STANDARD BEGIN:STANDARD DTSTART:20251102T090000 TZOFFSETFROM:-0700 TZOFFSETTO:-0800 TZNAME:PST END:STANDARD BEGIN:STANDARD DTSTART:20261101T090000 TZOFFSETFROM:-0700 TZOFFSETTO:-0800 TZNAME:PST END:STANDARD BEGIN:DAYLIGHT DTSTART:20240310T100000 TZOFFSETFROM:-0800 TZOFFSETTO:-0700 TZNAME:PDT END:DAYLIGHT BEGIN:DAYLIGHT DTSTART:20250309T100000 TZOFFSETFROM:-0800 TZOFFSETTO:-0700 TZNAME:PDT END:DAYLIGHT BEGIN:DAYLIGHT DTSTART:20260308T100000 TZOFFSETFROM:-0800 TZOFFSETTO:-0700 TZNAME:PDT END:DAYLIGHT END:VTIMEZONE BEGIN:VEVENT UID:47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-59653d6ed6bf DTSTAMP:20250109T191651Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250113T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250113T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-5965 3d6ed6bf/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT- Driver specification and come to consensus on issues necessary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Tools and Testing W orking Group.\n\nAgenda\n\nTo be determined. STATUS:CONFIRMED CREATED:20241210T213254Z LAST-MODIFIED:20250109T191651Z SEQUENCE:3 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RELATED-TO:7dd45ec5-40e0-4397-be32-39325e5a5d3e RRULE:FREQ=MONTHLY;UNTIL=20251231T200000Z;INTERVAL=1;BYDAY=MO;BYSETPOS=2;WK ST=MO END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-59653d6ed6bf DTSTAMP:20250109T191650Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250113T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250113T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-5965 3d6ed6bf/20250113T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\n### Review agenda and next meet ing dates\n\n- Requests for changes to today's agenda?\n- Next "automation subgroup" meeting: Monday\, February 10\, 2025\n- Next Browser Testing an d Tools meeting: Wednesday\, February 12\, 2025\n\n### Fate of the Windows AT Driver Server\n\nMaintaining [the Windows AT Driver Server](https://gi thub.com/bocoup/at-driver-servers/tree/main/packages/windows-at-driver-ser ver) along with [the macOS AT Driver server](https://github.com/bocoup/at- driver-servers/tree/main/packages/macos-at-driver-server) represents a non -negligible amount of effort. We should align on the reasons to continue t o make that effort or else agree to drop it.\n\n### AT Driver patch for "a ctivate element" user intent\n\nReview [the specification patch](https://g ithub.com/w3c/at-driver/pull/82) and discuss the implications for integrat ion with and/or beyond the web platform. (The description of the pull requ est includes more context.) STATUS:CONFIRMED CREATED:20250109T191649Z LAST-MODIFIED:20250109T191650Z SEQUENCE:3 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250113T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-59653d6ed6bf DTSTAMP:20250206T235133Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250210T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250210T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-5965 3d6ed6bf/20250210T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\n### Review agenda and next meet ing dates\n\n- Requests for changes to today's agenda?\n- Next "automation subgroup" meeting: Monday\, March 10\, 2025\n- Next Browser Testing and T ools meeting: Wednesday\, February 12\, 2025\n\n### Updating AT Driver in advance of new implementation effort\n\nWe recently learned that some folk s are preparing to implement AT Driver. This work likely justifies publish ing [a structural protocol change we have queued](https://github.com/w3c/a t-driver/compare/main...development). We should review why we deferred pub lication of that change and determine whether it is now appropriate to mov e forward.\n\n### Understanding the risks behind delays in automation supp ort for macOS releases\n\nThe Community Group has [recently discussed](htt ps://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-aria-at-minutes.html) how the automation system continues to lack support for macOS 15 despite its many months on the mar ket. This is due to [a known issue in GitHub's service](https://www.w3.org /2025/01/29-aria-at-minutes.html). We should discuss the practical implica tions of this class of delay and prioritize our future work accordingly. STATUS:CONFIRMED CREATED:20250206T235132Z LAST-MODIFIED:20250206T235133Z SEQUENCE:3 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250210T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-59653d6ed6bf DTSTAMP:20250324T185917Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250324T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250324T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-5965 3d6ed6bf/20250310T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\n### Review agenda and next meet ing dates\n\n- Requests for changes to today's agenda?\n- Next "automation subgroup" meeting: Monday\, April 14\, 2025\n- Next Browser Testing and T ools meeting: Wednesday\, April 9\, 2025\n\n### Supporting maintenance of the NVDA AT Driver server\n\n[A recent change to the AT Driver protocol](h ttps://github.com/w3c/at-driver/pull/76) necessitated modifications to bot h AT Driver implementations\, and Bocoup was able to perform this maintena nce. However\, [the patch to the NVDA AT Driver server](https://github.com /Prime-Access-Consulting/nvda-at-automation/pull/55) was delayed due to li mited organizational experience with the technology used to create it. We' d like to discuss whether it's appropriate for Bocoup to create a new vers ion of the NVDA AT Driver server which they can maintain more efficiently. \n\n\n### Update on collecting "hint" text from VoiceOver\n\nOur investiga tion into the stability of the VoiceOver Bot has identified the "hint" tex t as a notable source of variability. We believe that increasing recording delays is the best way to address this\, but we also note that the approa ch will extend the time required for the bot to perform its tasks.\n\nThis also relates to the project's longer-term goals of explicitly annotating the "hint" text in VoiceOver responses. The plan of record for that featur e is to run every test twice\, so added delays will have a larger impact o n execution duration in that future.\n\n### Continued evaluation of the pr oject's reliance on GitHub Actions\n\nWe have yet to secure conclusive ass urance about whether ARIA-AT's automation needs will be satisfied by GitHu b's free services. This follows an extended effort to engage with GitHub s taff and a series of tests designed to experimentally measure relevant lim itations. We'd like to re-assess the risks we face\, review the uncertaint y concerning the project's long-term needs\, and determine the best course of action. STATUS:CONFIRMED CREATED:20250306T224630Z LAST-MODIFIED:20250324T185917Z SEQUENCE:4 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250310T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-59653d6ed6bf DTSTAMP:20250325T022217Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250414T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250414T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-5965 3d6ed6bf/20250414T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\n### Review agenda and next meet ing dates\n\n- Requests for changes to today's agenda?\n- Next "automation subgroup" meeting: Monday\, May 12\, 2025\n- Next Browser Testing and Too ls meeting: Wednesday\, May 14\, 2025\n\n### Supporting maintenance of the NVDA AT Driver server\n\n[A recent change to the AT Driver protocol](http s://github.com/w3c/at-driver/pull/76) necessitated modifications to both A T Driver implementations\, and Bocoup was able to perform this maintenance . However\, [the patch to the NVDA AT Driver server](https://github.com/Pr ime-Access-Consulting/nvda-at-automation/pull/55) was delayed due to limit ed organizational experience with the technology used to create it. We'd l ike to discuss whether it's appropriate for Bocoup to create a new version of the NVDA AT Driver server which they can maintain more efficiently.\n\ n\n### Update on collecting "hint" text from VoiceOver\n\nOur investigatio n into the stability of the VoiceOver Bot has identified the "hint" text a s a notable source of variability. We believe that increasing recording de lays is the best way to address this\, but we also note that the approach will extend the time required for the bot to perform its tasks.\n\nThis al so relates to the project's longer-term goals of explicitly annotating the "hint" text in VoiceOver responses. The plan of record for that feature i s to run every test twice\, so added delays will have a larger impact on e xecution duration in that future.\n\n### Continued evaluation of the proje ct's reliance on GitHub Actions\n\nWe have yet to secure conclusive assura nce about whether ARIA-AT's automation needs will be satisfied by GitHub's free services. This follows an extended effort to engage with GitHub staf f and a series of tests designed to experimentally measure relevant limita tions. We'd like to re-assess the risks we face\, review the uncertainty c oncerning the project's long-term needs\, and determine the best course of action. STATUS:CONFIRMED CREATED:20250325T022217Z LAST-MODIFIED:20250325T022217Z SEQUENCE:3 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250414T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-59653d6ed6bf DTSTAMP:20250508T191909Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250512T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250512T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-5965 3d6ed6bf/20250512T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\n### Review agenda and next meet ing dates\n\n- Requests for changes to today's agenda?\n- Next "automation subgroup" meeting: TBD\n- Next Browser Testing and Tools meeting: Wednesd ay\, May 15\, 2025\n\n### Update on automation support for macOS 15\n\n- S ince the last meeting of this group\, [GitHub has not shared any update on the bug we reported](https://github.com/actions/runner-images/issues/1125 7)\n- Chris and Mike met with representatives from MacStadium to learn if their produce could suit our needs. It appears that it can\, so we are pla nning to verify experimentally. We have some reservations about the billin g model\, but we believe they can wait until after we've proven that the p latform is a viable alternative to GitHub-hosted runners.\n\n### Reschedul ing this meeting\n\nWe'd like to find a time that's more amenable to folks at Vispero. STATUS:CONFIRMED CREATED:20250508T191909Z LAST-MODIFIED:20250508T191909Z SEQUENCE:3 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250512T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-59653d6ed6bf DTSTAMP:20250605T230022Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250609T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250609T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-5965 3d6ed6bf/20250609T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\nTo be determined. STATUS:CANCELLED CREATED:20250605T230021Z LAST-MODIFIED:20250605T230022Z SEQUENCE:4 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250609T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-59653d6ed6bf DTSTAMP:20250713T183402Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250714T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250714T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-5965 3d6ed6bf/20250714T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\n### Review agenda and next meet ing dates\n\n- Requests for changes to today's agenda?\n- Next "automation subgroup" meeting: Monday\, August 11\, 2025\n- Next Browser Testing and Tools meeting: Wednesday\, August 13\, 2025\n\n### Update on rescheduling this meeting\n\nThe folks at Vispero aren't able to join us regularly\, bu t they will try to attend when we invite them to discuss high-priority ite ms.\n\n### Correlating user intents with speech responses\n\nDescription p osted to the AT Driver issue tracker as [issue #90](https://github.com/w3c /at-driver/issues/90). STATUS:CONFIRMED CREATED:20250713T183401Z LAST-MODIFIED:20250713T183402Z SEQUENCE:3 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250714T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-59653d6ed6bf DTSTAMP:20250807T223646Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250811T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250811T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-5965 3d6ed6bf/20250811T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\n## Review agenda and next meeti ng dates\n\n- Requests for changes to today's agenda?\n- Next "automation subgroup" meeting: Monday\, September 8\, 2025\n- Next Browser Testing and Tools meeting: Wednesday\, August 13\, 2025\n\n## Revisiting the UI for r eassigning Test Plan Runs\n\nWe have two feature requests in the back log which concern the reassignment of Test Plan Runs.\n\n- [#1242: Add functio nality to reassign test plan runs to the bot](https://github.com/w3c/aria- at-app/issues/1242)\n- [#1369: In the test queue\, enable an in-progress t est plan run to be transfer to a different tester](https://github.com/w3c/ aria-at-app/issues/1369)\n\nThe folks at Bocoup are interested in redesign ing the associated UI as it currently exists within the Test Queue. We'd l ike to green-light that design effort during today's meeting.\n\n## Output normalization\n\n[We discussed output normalization during the 2025-07-24 CG meeting](https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-aria-at-minutes.html#5cc5)\, bu t we stopped short of formally defining the desired algorithm. Bocoup woul d like to verify our understanding.\n\n## Accessibility of automation cons istency reports\n\nThe audience of the automation accessibility reports (e .g. [this one from 2025-07-31](https://github.com/bocoup/aria-at-gh-action s-helper/wiki/20250731.Consistency-Report)) has recently grown\, and we'd like to ensure we're doing everything we can to promote their legibility f or all readers. STATUS:CONFIRMED CREATED:20250807T223645Z LAST-MODIFIED:20250807T223646Z SEQUENCE:3 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250811T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-59653d6ed6bf DTSTAMP:20250904T183200Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250908T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250908T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-5965 3d6ed6bf/20250908T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\n### Review agenda and next meet ing dates\n\n- Requests for changes to today's agenda?\n- Next "automation subgroup" meeting: Monday\, October 13\, 2025\n- Next Browser Testing and Tools meeting: Wednesday\, September 10\, 2025\n\n#### Screen reader spee ch interruptions\n\nThe AT Driver protocol does not have any affordances f or speech interruptions. Our latest investigation into the consistency of ARIA-AT's bots has made addressing this deficiency seem more important.\n\ nSee [gh-94: Screen reader speech interruptions](https://github.com/w3c/at -driver/issues/94) for more information. STATUS:CONFIRMED CREATED:20250904T183200Z LAST-MODIFIED:20250904T183200Z SEQUENCE:3 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20250908T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-59653d6ed6bf DTSTAMP:20251017T232434Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20251020T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20251020T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-5965 3d6ed6bf/20251013T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\n### Review agenda and next meet ing dates\n\n- Requests for changes to today's agenda?\n- Next "automation subgroup" meeting: Monday\, November 10\, 2025\n- Next Browser Testing an d Tools meeting: Wednesday\, November 12\, 2025\n\n### Update on Edge supp ort in ARIA-AT\n\nThe latest news in our efforts to bring Edge to the auto mation system of ARIA-AT.\n\n### Updates to AT Driver specification\n\nA q uick review of some non-normative examples we added at Vispero's request.\ n\n[Add a non-normative example for each Command](https://github.com/w3c/a t-driver/commit/3e15ec4aeee6fab7010664e46cc84c989a74b314)\n\n### Feedback on proposal to engage with Apple on AT Driver\n\nA few months ago\, we sha red some thoughts on opportunities to collaborate with Apple's accessibili ty team. We'd like to validate those ideas and make a concrete plan about reaching out. STATUS:CONFIRMED CREATED:20251009T215456Z LAST-MODIFIED:20251017T232434Z SEQUENCE:4 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20251013T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-59653d6ed6bf DTSTAMP:20251107T202946Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20251110T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20251110T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-5965 3d6ed6bf/20251110T120000/\n\nCanceled nov 10 due to TPAC\n\nThe ARIA-AT Au tomation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and co me to consensus on issues necessary to advance AT-Driver through the stand ards process in the Browser Tools and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\n To be determined. STATUS:CANCELLED CREATED:20251107T202944Z LAST-MODIFIED:20251107T202946Z SEQUENCE:4 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20251110T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-59653d6ed6bf DTSTAMP:20251208T194633Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20251208T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20251208T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-5965 3d6ed6bf/20251208T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\nTo be determined. STATUS:CANCELLED CREATED:20251208T194631Z LAST-MODIFIED:20251208T194633Z SEQUENCE:4 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20251208T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:7dd45ec5-40e0-4397-be32-39325e5a5d3e DTSTAMP:20241210T213254Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20241209T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20241209T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/7dd45ec5-40e0-4397-be32-3932 5e5a5d3e/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT- Driver specification and come to consensus on issues necessary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Tools and Testing W orking Group.\n\nAgenda\n\nTo be determined. STATUS:CONFIRMED CREATED:20241108T210030Z LAST-MODIFIED:20241210T213254Z SEQUENCE:4 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RELATED-TO:be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210bc82d663 RELATED-TO:47101a01-4abb-44d3-8a54-59653d6ed6bf RRULE:FREQ=MONTHLY;UNTIL=20241209T200000Z;INTERVAL=1;BYDAY=MO;BYSETPOS=2;WK ST=MO END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:7dd45ec5-40e0-4397-be32-39325e5a5d3e DTSTAMP:20241210T213204Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20241209T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20241209T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/7dd45ec5-40e0-4397-be32-3932 5e5a5d3e/20241209T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\n### Review agenda and next meet ing dates\n\n- Requests for changes to today's agenda?\n- Next Browser Tes ting and Tools meeting: Wednesday\, December 11\, 2024\n- Next "automation subgroup" meeting: Monday\, January 13\, 2025\n\n### Fate of the Windows AT Driver Server\n\nMaintaining [the Windows AT Driver Server](https://git hub.com/bocoup/at-driver-servers/tree/main/packages/windows-at-driver-serv er) along with [the macOS AT Driver server](https://github.com/bocoup/at-d river-servers/tree/main/packages/macos-at-driver-server) represents a non- negligible amount of effort. We should align on the reasons to continue to make that effort or else agree to drop it.\n\n### AT Driver patch for "ac tivate element" user intent\n\nReview [the specification patch](https://gi thub.com/w3c/at-driver/pull/82) and discuss the implications for integrati on with and/or beyond the web platform. (The description of the pull reque st includes more context.) STATUS:CANCELLED CREATED:20241207T021308Z LAST-MODIFIED:20241210T213204Z SEQUENCE:4 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20241209T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210bc82d663 DTSTAMP:20241108T210032Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240408T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240408T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210 bc82d663/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT- Driver specification and come to consensus on issues necessary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Tools and Testing W orking Group.\n\nAgenda\n\nTo be determined. STATUS:CONFIRMED CREATED:20240327T202724Z LAST-MODIFIED:20241108T210032Z SEQUENCE:4 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RRULE:FREQ=MONTHLY;UNTIL=20241111T200000Z;INTERVAL=1;BYDAY=MO;BYSETPOS=2;WK ST=MO RELATED-TO:7dd45ec5-40e0-4397-be32-39325e5a5d3e END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210bc82d663 DTSTAMP:20240408T162153Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240408T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240408T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210 bc82d663/20240408T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\n- Welcome back\, subgroup!\n- [ review the description for the GitHub Project named "automation v2"](https ://docs.google.com/document/d/19kJWkF2IrWYAwg3s3VN_e7irCh_7AFUSMfGhNGkeTmA /edit)\n- update on support for Firefox & NVDA\n - [Support has landed!]( https://github.com/w3c/aria-at-app/pull/950)\n - [unresolved issue with k ey presses in NVDA](https://github.com/Prime-Access-Consulting/nvda-at-aut omation/issues/49)\n- update on support for Safari & Chrome\n- update on e nhanced status reporting\n - [UI design](https://github.com/w3c/aria-at-a pp/issues/820)\n - [Protocol design](https://github.com/w3c/aria-at-app/i ssues/818)\n - [Implementation](https://github.com/w3c/aria-at-automation -harness/pull/47) STATUS:CANCELLED CREATED:20240404T184455Z LAST-MODIFIED:20240408T162153Z SEQUENCE:4 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240408T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210bc82d663 DTSTAMP:20240513T201549Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240513T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240513T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210 bc82d663/20240513T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\n- Issues requiring triage\n - [Prime-Access-Consulting/nvda-at-automation - #50 - Occasional panic writi ng to websocket](https://github.com/Prime-Access-Consulting/nvda-at-automa tion/issues/50)\n - [Prime-Access-Consulting/nvda-at-automation - #49 - V arious pressKey events are failing from testing](https://github.com/Prime- Access-Consulting/nvda-at-automation/issues/49)\n- Update on Safari/VoiceO ver support\n - [Work-in-progress extension to the test harness](https:// github.com/w3c/aria-at-automation-harness/compare/main...safari)\n - [Wor k-in-progress integration with GitHub Actions](https://github.com/bocoup/a ria-at-gh-actions-helper/pull/15)\n - Latest advance: implemented a compo nent to replace WebDriver with AppleScript\, for use with Safari\, as a wo rkaround for [the "glass pane" discussed during the 2024-05-08 ARIA-AT CG meeting](https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-aria-at-minutes.html#t10)\n - Next hurdle: diagnosing an apparent issue with key presses STATUS:CONFIRMED CREATED:20240513T183944Z LAST-MODIFIED:20240513T201549Z SEQUENCE:3 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240513T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210bc82d663 DTSTAMP:20240608T185749Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240610T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240610T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210 bc82d663/20240610T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\n- improvement to project nomenc lature:\n - speaking in terms of "AT Driver servers" as opposed to "drive rs" (e.g. "NVDA Driver") to help differentiate the AT Driver proposal from the implementations\n - splitting the "generic driver" into two platform -specific projects: "Windows AT Driver server" and "macOS AT Driver Server "\n- protocol design: key presses and user intents\n - at-driver#74: [Con sider using the VoiceOver AppleScript bridge instead of disabling System I ntegrity Protection (SIP)](https://github.com/w3c/at-driver/issues/74)\n - prior discussion: [the 2023-11-06 meeting of this subgroup](https://www. w3.org/2023/11/06-aria-at-minutes.html)\n- Review proposal: [ARIA-AT Test Results Service](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v1KZE4wdm_IpWMOFmyh_P yETzL9-40CaXXWQB4RbgNc/edit) STATUS:CONFIRMED CREATED:20240608T185748Z LAST-MODIFIED:20240608T185749Z SEQUENCE:3 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240610T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210bc82d663 DTSTAMP:20240718T193716Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240722T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240722T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210 bc82d663/20240708T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\n### Review agenda and next meet ing dates\n\n- requests for changes?\n- next "automation subgroup" meeting : Monday\, August 12\, 2024\n- next Browser Testing and Tools meeting: Wed nesday\, August 14\, 2024\n\n### AT Driver - proposal to address Apple's s ecurity concerns with "send text" command\n\n[Proposed in the AT Driver is sue tracker on 2024-07-18](https://github.com/w3c/at-driver/issues/12#issu ecomment-2236981910)\n\n### ARIA-AT Assertion Verdict Service\n\n[Proposed in the ARIA-AT issue tracker on 2024-07-08](https://github.com/w3c/aria-a t/issues/1084) STATUS:CONFIRMED CREATED:20240706T005016Z LAST-MODIFIED:20240718T193716Z SEQUENCE:4 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240708T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210bc82d663 DTSTAMP:20240808T203019Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240812T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240812T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210 bc82d663/20240812T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\nTo be determined. STATUS:CANCELLED CREATED:20240808T203018Z LAST-MODIFIED:20240808T203019Z SEQUENCE:4 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240812T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210bc82d663 DTSTAMP:20240905T220507Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240909T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240909T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210 bc82d663/20240909T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\n### Review agenda and next meet ing dates\n\n- requests for changes?\n- next Browser Testing and Tools mee ting: Wednesday\, October 9\, 2024\n - Wednesday\, September 11\, 2024 ha s been cancelled\n- next "automation subgroup" meeting: Monday\, December 9\, 2024\n - Monday\, October 14\, 2024 is a US holiday\n - Monday\, Nov ember 11\, 2024 is a US holiday\n - Proposal: we schedule a one-off meeti ng for the week of October 7\n\n### ARIA-AT Assertion Verdict Service\n\n[ Proposed in the ARIA-AT issue tracker on 2024-07-08](https://github.com/w3 c/aria-at/issues/1084)\n\n### AT Driver - "user intents" command\n\nVia [G itHub pull request number 76](https://github.com/w3c/at-driver/pull/76). T his is the first step in implementing our latest design for supporting het erogeneity in the ATs' abilities to simulate user interactions. STATUS:CONFIRMED CREATED:20240905T220506Z LAST-MODIFIED:20240905T220507Z SEQUENCE:3 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20240909T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210bc82d663 DTSTAMP:20240911T022010Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20241014T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20241014T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210 bc82d663/20241014T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\nTo be determined. STATUS:CANCELLED CREATED:20240911T022009Z LAST-MODIFIED:20240911T022010Z SEQUENCE:4 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20241014T120000 END:VEVENT BEGIN:VEVENT UID:be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210bc82d663 DTSTAMP:20240911T022140Z SUMMARY:ARIA-AT AT Driver Subgroup Monthly Teleconference DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20241111T120000 DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20241111T130000 DESCRIPTION:https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/be4005bd-2e84-43c6-b75c-4210 bc82d663/20241111T120000/\n\nThe ARIA-AT Automation subgroup is a space to discuss the AT-Driver specification and come to consensus on issues neces sary to advance AT-Driver through the standards process in the Browser Too ls and Testing Working Group.\n\nAgenda\n\nTo be determined. STATUS:CANCELLED CREATED:20240911T022139Z LAST-MODIFIED:20240911T022140Z SEQUENCE:4 ORGANIZER;CN=W3C Calendar;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;ROLE=NON-PARTICIPANT:mailto:nor eply@w3.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=GROUP;ROLE=OPT-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=FALSE;CN=ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group:mailto:public-aria-at@w3.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20241111T120000 END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR