eGovernment Interest Group - Data_Catalog_Vocabulary Subgroup

Minutes of 27 May 2010

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-05-27
Seen
Fadi Maali, Kate Geyer, Luigi Montanez, Martín Álvarez, Michael Hausenblas, Michael Norton, Mike () Bergman, Richard Cyganiak, Vassilios Peristeras
Guests
Kate Geyer, Michael Norton
Scribe
Kate Geyer
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions

None.

Topics
<fadi> Guest: Kate Geyer
<fadi> Guest: Michael Norton
14:54:46 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/05/27-egov-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/05/27-egov-irc

15:00:08 <cygri_> zakim, who is on the phone?

(No events recorded for 5 minutes)

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:00:08 <Zakim> sorry, cygri_, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, cygri_, I don't know what conference this is

15:00:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see cygri_, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, Zakim, kate_geyer, fadi, cygri, ww, edsu, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see cygri_, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, Zakim, kate_geyer, fadi, cygri, ww, edsu, sandro, trackbot

15:01:01 <cygri_> zakim, this is dcat

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, this is dcat

15:01:43 <Zakim> sorry, cygri_, I do not see a conference named 'dcat' in progress or scheduled at this time

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, cygri_, I do not see a conference named 'dcat' in progress or scheduled at this time

15:02:29 <mhausenblas> Zakim, what conferences do you see?

Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, what conferences do you see?

15:02:53 <cygri> mhausenblas to the rescue!

Richard Cyganiak: mhausenblas to the rescue!

15:03:38 <Zakim> I see Styl_XSL-FO-()11:00AM, T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM, Math_IG()10:00AM, Team_(sparql)13:55Z, WF_TF()8:00AM, W3C_(SBM TF)10:00AM, INC_Prov XG(Mappings)11:00AM, WAI_PFWG(HTML

Zakim IRC Bot: I see Styl_XSL-FO-()11:00AM, T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM, Math_IG()10:00AM, Team_(sparql)13:55Z, WF_TF()8:00AM, W3C_(SBM TF)10:00AM, INC_Prov XG(Mappings)11:00AM, WAI_PFWG(HTML

15:03:43 <Zakim> ... TF)11:00AM, SW_RDFa()10:00AM, VB_VBWG(CCXML)11:00AM active

Zakim IRC Bot: ... TF)11:00AM, SW_RDFa()10:00AM, VB_VBWG(CCXML)11:00AM active

15:03:45 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are SW_HCLS(TransMed)11:00AM, WAI_Team()9:30AM, Team_Comm()10:30AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, GA_SVGWG()10:30AM

Zakim IRC Bot: also scheduled at this time are SW_HCLS(TransMed)11:00AM, WAI_Team()9:30AM, Team_Comm()10:30AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, GA_SVGWG()10:30AM

15:04:25 <mhausenblas> that's what I thought, yes - also http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#D20100527

Michael Hausenblas: that's what I thought, yes - also http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#D20100527

15:04:36 <cygri> zakim, this will be egov

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, this will be egov

15:05:02 <Zakim> ok, cygri, I see T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, cygri, I see T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM already started

15:05:13 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:05:14 <Zakim> - +1.323.841.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.323.841.aaaa

15:05:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see kate_geyer, cygri, +1.202.742.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kate_geyer, cygri, +1.202.742.aabb

15:05:31 <cygri> thanks mhausenblas!

Richard Cyganiak: thanks mhausenblas!

15:05:35 <cygri> zakim, fadi is with me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, fadi is with me

15:05:42 <LuigiMontanez> zakim, aabb is LuigiMontanez

Luigi Montanez: zakim, aabb is LuigiMontanez

15:06:04 <Zakim> + +1.323.841.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.323.841.aacc

15:06:08 <Zakim> +fadi; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fadi; got it

15:06:20 <Zakim> +LuigiMontanez; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +LuigiMontanez; got it

15:06:25 <Zakim> +??P43

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P43

15:06:29 <Zakim> +[CTIC]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[CTIC]

15:06:36 <cygri> zakim, ??P43 is vassilios

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P43 is vassilios

15:06:38 <martin> Zakim, [CTIC is martin

Martín Álvarez: Zakim, [CTIC is martin

15:06:50 <Zakim> +vassilios; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +vassilios; got it

15:06:52 <Zakim> +martin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +martin; got it

15:06:52 <cygri> zakim, who is making noise?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is making noise?

15:06:58 <kate_geyer> Scribe: kate_geyer

(Scribe set to Kate Geyer)

15:07:10 <Zakim> cygri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: vassilios (15%)

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: vassilios (15%)

15:07:50 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone

15:07:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', cygri

15:07:57 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:07:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see kate_geyer, cygri, LuigiMontanez, +1.323.841.aacc (muted), vassilios, martin

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kate_geyer, cygri, LuigiMontanez, +1.323.841.aacc (muted), vassilios, martin

15:07:59 <Zakim> cygri has cygri, fadi

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri has cygri, fadi

15:08:51 <cygri> zakim, aacc is michael

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, aacc is michael

15:08:51 <Zakim> +michael; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +michael; got it

15:09:37 <cygri> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-05-27
15:11:36 <kate_geyer> cygri: We're looking for a scribe for next week

Richard Cyganiak: We're looking for a scribe for next week

15:12:00 <kate_geyer> ... or we can meet every two weeks

... or we can meet every two weeks

15:12:04 <vassilios> +1

Vassilios Peristeras: +1

15:12:06 <LuigiMontanez> +1

Luigi Montanez: +1

15:12:09 <martin> +1

Martín Álvarez: +1

15:13:02 <kate_geyer> cygri: based on the votes, the default should be every two weeks

Richard Cyganiak: based on the votes, the default should be every two weeks

15:13:16 <vassilios> i a mnot sure i will be either

Vassilios Peristeras: i a mnot sure i will be either

15:14:06 <kate_geyer> cygri: Scribe for 10 June will be fadi

Richard Cyganiak: Scribe for 10 June will be fadi

15:15:09 <kate_geyer> cygri: Dcat being used on data.gov.uk

Richard Cyganiak: Dcat being used on data.gov.uk

15:15:42 <kate_geyer> ... vocabulary in flux, we should wait to give them detailed feedback

... vocabulary in flux, we should wait to give them detailed feedback

15:16:00 <kate_geyer> ... Any interesting developments

... Any interesting developments

15:16:16 <kate_geyer> cygri: Moving to use cases and requirements

Richard Cyganiak: Moving to use cases and requirements

15:17:09 <kate_geyer> ... No negative feedback, several emails indicate it's fine

... No negative feedback, several emails indicate it's fine

15:17:52 <kate_geyer> .. In terms of content the use cases are the same, but sandro and cygri moved them around as indicated last meeting

.. In terms of content the use cases are the same, but sandro and cygri moved them around as indicated last meeting

15:18:11 <vassilios> Perhpas, we could still keep it open for a while

Vassilios Peristeras: Perhpas, we could still keep it open for a while

15:18:33 <vassilios> just avoiding my mic

Vassilios Peristeras: just avoiding my mic

15:18:41 <vassilios> perhpas people could contribute

Vassilios Peristeras: perhpas people could contribute

15:18:44 <vassilios> still in the page

Vassilios Peristeras: still in the page

15:18:52 <vassilios> for a week or so

Vassilios Peristeras: for a week or so

15:19:09 <vassilios> lets say by next meeting (?)

Vassilios Peristeras: lets say by next meeting (?)

15:19:49 <kate_geyer> cygri: Is it time to stop editing the document and focus on next deliverable

Richard Cyganiak: Is it time to stop editing the document and focus on next deliverable

15:20:34 <vassilios> +1

Vassilios Peristeras: +1

15:20:36 <fadi> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

15:20:36 <LuigiMontanez> +1 agree

Luigi Montanez: +1 agree

15:20:37 <kate_geyer> Should we declare as a group that we are satisfied

Should we declare as a group that we are satisfied

15:20:42 <martin> +1

Martín Álvarez: +1

15:21:37 <kate_geyer> cygri: Make this a W3C Interest Group note

Richard Cyganiak: Make this a W3C Interest Group note

15:21:56 <kate_geyer> ... perhaps we should wait for sando's input

... perhaps we should wait for sando's input

15:22:01 <vassilios> we need W3C feedback

Vassilios Peristeras: we need W3C feedback

15:22:24 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Vocabulary_Reference

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Vocabulary_Reference

15:22:33 <kate_geyer> cygri: Now we can move to the Vocab Reference topic

Richard Cyganiak: Now we can move to the Vocab Reference topic

15:22:39 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/products/19

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/products/19

15:23:10 <kate_geyer> cygri: I've started to populate the issue tracker

Richard Cyganiak: I've started to populate the issue tracker

15:23:41 <kate_geyer> ... the Issue tracker is for the entire Egov interest group

... the Issue tracker is for the entire Egov interest group

15:24:03 <kate_geyer> ... sandro has created a product called dcat

... sandro has created a product called dcat

15:24:26 <kate_geyer> ... The link goes to issues related to the dcat product

... The link goes to issues related to the dcat product

15:24:53 <cygri> ISSUE-40

Richard Cyganiak: ISSUE-40

15:25:00 <kate_geyer> ... the Issue tracker is tied in with the IRC and mailing list

... the Issue tracker is tied in with the IRC and mailing list

15:25:56 <kate_geyer> ... Sandro will explain that, but we can add through the web interface

... Sandro will explain that, but we can add through the web interface

15:26:40 <kate_geyer> cygri: I would like to go through the document, see what's there, and discuss

Richard Cyganiak: I would like to go through the document, see what's there, and discuss

15:26:55 <kate_geyer> ... and then go through the open issues

... and then go through the open issues

15:27:21 <kate_geyer> cygri: Lokking at the Vocabulary reference now

Richard Cyganiak: Lokking at the Vocabulary reference now

15:28:14 <kate_geyer> s/Lokking/looking

s/Lokking/looking

15:29:31 <kate_geyer> cygri: Introduction, then overview will have diagram

Richard Cyganiak: Introduction, then overview will have diagram

15:30:31 <kate_geyer> ... a separate section explaining literals and resources

... a separate section explaining literals and resources

15:31:24 <kate_geyer> ... Last section is on extending the vocabulary and best practices

... Last section is on extending the vocabulary and best practices

15:32:44 <kate_geyer> ... Within each class, the doc explains the properties and includes a usage note

... Within each class, the doc explains the properties and includes a usage note

15:33:25 <kate_geyer> cygri: Any thoughts/feedback?

Richard Cyganiak: Any thoughts/feedback?

15:34:17 <kate_geyer> cygri: Should this outline/general structure remain?

Richard Cyganiak: Should this outline/general structure remain?

15:34:30 <kate_geyer> ... Would everyone be happy with that?

... Would everyone be happy with that?

15:34:31 <LuigiMontanez> I need a bit more time to digest, but have no objections as I review it now

Luigi Montanez: I need a bit more time to digest, but have no objections as I review it now

15:34:53 <Mike> Looks interesting--great work

Mike () Bergman: Looks interesting--great work

15:35:03 <martin> +1 ( I like the document )

Martín Álvarez: +1 ( I like the document )

15:35:04 <kate_geyer> +1

+1

15:35:52 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/products/19

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/products/19

15:36:01 <kate_geyer>  cygri: No objections to the structure. I would like to look at the open issues

cygri: No objections to the structure. I would like to look at the open issues

15:36:50 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/issues/37

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/issues/37

15:36:55 <kate_geyer> cygri: First issue is ACTION-37

Richard Cyganiak: First issue is ACTION-37

15:38:45 <kate_geyer> ... regarding the use of a string vs. a URI

... regarding the use of a string vs. a URI

15:39:23 <kate_geyer> ... for dct:publisher, dct:accrualPeriodicity, ...

... for dct:publisher, dct:accrualPeriodicity, ...

15:40:32 <kate_geyer> fadi: some references are inconsistent

Fadi Maali: some references are inconsistent

15:41:04 <kate_geyer> cygri: we can encourage the use of a resource

Richard Cyganiak: we can encourage the use of a resource

15:43:03 <kate_geyer> cygri: the problem is the requirement to make it easy to apply to existing catalogs

Richard Cyganiak: the problem is the requirement to make it easy to apply to existing catalogs

15:43:28 <kate_geyer> ... we will not get better data than already exists in the catalog

... we will not get better data than already exists in the catalog

15:44:11 <kate_geyer> cygri: I will ask Ed if he has any recommendation on this

Richard Cyganiak: I will ask Ed if he has any recommendation on this

15:44:23 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/issues/38

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/issues/38

15:44:30 <kate_geyer> cygri: Moving to Issue 38

Richard Cyganiak: Moving to ISSUE-38

15:46:41 <kate_geyer> cygri: This is regarding a single dataset with multiple downloads

Richard Cyganiak: This is regarding a single dataset with multiple downloads

15:48:13 <kate_geyer> ... The URI of the Distribution would be the download itself

... The URI of the Distribution would be the download itself

15:49:05 <kate_geyer> fadi: In most of the catalogs, the dataset might not have a download file

Fadi Maali: In most of the catalogs, the dataset might not have a download file

15:49:23 <kate_geyer> ... The data can be reached by following a URL

... The data can be reached by following a URL

15:50:29 <kate_geyer> cygri: fadi, can you respond to this on the email list

Richard Cyganiak: fadi, can you respond to this on the email list

15:50:44 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/issues/39

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/issues/39

15:52:35 <kate_geyer> fadi: Many catalogs have an RSS link, web service, etc. where access can be automated

Fadi Maali: Many catalogs have an RSS link, web service, etc. where access can be automated

15:53:55 <kate_geyer> fadi: The decision was that subclasses were appropriate

Fadi Maali: The decision was that subclasses were appropriate

15:54:25 <kate_geyer> cygri: The issue is that information would be lost

Richard Cyganiak: The issue is that information would be lost

15:54:33 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/issues/40

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/issues/40

15:55:39 <kate_geyer> fadi: Only data.go.uk makes this distinction

Fadi Maali: Only data.go.uk makes this distinction

15:56:38 <kate_geyer> cygri: The problem is that if these catalogs have a generic granularity field, it can be hard to distinguish

Richard Cyganiak: The problem is that if these catalogs have a generic granularity field, it can be hard to distinguish

15:57:41 <kate_geyer> cygri: The proposal is to add these to dcat

Richard Cyganiak: The proposal is to add these to dcat

15:57:57 <kate_geyer> ... in addition to dcat:granularity

... in addition to dcat:granularity

15:59:20 <kate_geyer> cygri: There will always be this question of adding to dcat or not

Richard Cyganiak: There will always be this question of adding to dcat or not

15:59:50 <kate_geyer> cygri: The last issue will be skipped in the interest of time

Richard Cyganiak: The last issue will be skipped in the interest of time

16:01:49 <kate_geyer> cygri: Many things to do on this document and pieces to take responsibility for

Richard Cyganiak: Many things to do on this document and pieces to take responsibility for

16:02:05 <kate_geyer> Anything else?

Anything else?

16:02:30 <vassilios> thanks

Vassilios Peristeras: thanks

16:02:34 <martin> Thank you. Bye

Martín Álvarez: Thank you. Bye

16:02:34 <kate_geyer> Thanks!

Thanks!



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