DPUB IG Telco, 2017-06-12: Pierre, Working Group, F2F, Async tools

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The group started with a sad topic: Pierre Danet has passed away over the week-end. The group remembered him in a few words

He was the involved in the IDPF, and the director of EDR labs, exec at Hachette. Many on this call knew him. It’s sad. Best wishes out to family.

The reason we are here is that Pierre was extremely enthusiastic about W3C. […] we owe quite a bit to him as to what we are doing now.

(See also the obituary on the W3C Blog.)


The Working Group Charter has been approved last Friday, and the Working Group is now operational. Membership for the Interest Group participants is not transferred automatically, everybody (including invited experts) must join that group explicitly. See

The biggest problem with the charter as we put it forward was that the scope section was considered too vague—a mix up of goals and very specific things that we are supposed to deliver. This became a problem for companies that have major patent portfolios. The way it was re-written, we did our best to keep the content the same but make the scope bar much tighter. We extended the charter from 2.5 years to 3 years which gives us more time. That gives us the testing and checking period, which was extended because it would take a lot of work.

F2F Meeting

The meeting is “on”, see the preliminary agenda.

Async working tools for the WG

There was a short discussion on how to ensure async work in the group, i.e., ensure discussion between calls. The group will consider other tools (Slack, discourse, IRC) although the habit of usage GitHub Issues may be the best practice. To be seen.

Note that the WG’s home page is actually served from a GitHub repository, meaning that the corresponding issues’s mechanism can be used for generic discussions.

Note also that there is a discourse channel that is also alive for (digital) publishing.

DPUB IG Telco, 2017-05-22: DPUB Aria and related items, extended descriptions

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Charter status

Ivan gave a short overview. The AC review is over, there are 53 answers (which is a high number!). All of the reviews are in favor of starting this Working Group. However, there are three members who require some changes on the charter in view of the IPR issues, i.e., the W3C Patent Policy Commitments; the scope section of the charter has to be refined. This is being done by the W3C staff; plans are that all who voted will have the possibility to look at the renewed text before it is (hopefully) finally adopted. This will take 2-3 more weeks.

Work reports

ARIA related updates

DPUB AAM needs some more testing. There are two implementations, but there is still a need for some more, especially on Windows 10. Some members of this IG may be in position to do those testing. The DPUB ARIA testing is essentially done, a final report has to be generated.

All this means that DPUB ARIA and DPUB AAM may be in Proposed Rec sometimes before vacations, i.e., can be a Recommendation around September. A good way to close the IG…

Cognitive Understanding

There is a task force on personalization semantics in the APA Working Group. Though this work is primarily on vocabularies for cognitive issues, it may be of a more general interest. The approach is similar to the DPUB ARIA work (i.e., an extra ARIA vocabulary). A joint meeting will take place on Wednesday.

Extended Descriptions

The Accessibility task force worked on extended descriptions (e.g., on images). There is an active issue on github and a work by the DAISY Consortium. However, all issues are not yet solved on, e.g., the exact placement for the <details> element within the content without disturbing the visual experience. Eventually, the output will be added to the ARIA authoring practices.

DPUB IG Telco, 2017-05-08: Charter status, F2F planning

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The meeting began by welcoming back Tzviya Siegman after her maternity leave. There was a unanimous agreement that her baby is adorable…

Charter status

Ivan Herman gave a short status report on the WG Charter: there 40+ positive votes, and two objections from before. One of the two has already been dealt with, the other is still pending. There are a few days more to go before the poll closes. There is still a good hope that the Working Group can officially be announced at the beginning of June.

F2F meeting

There is now a preliminary agenda for the F2F meeting. Some discussions during the call added new items to the agenda: the importance of testing and, therefore, a discussion on the testing methodology, areas, etc (including a feeling for what the “exit criteria” will be when the time comes), organizational issues (homepage, repositories, scribing, etc.). It has been agreed that a remote participation will be offered for group members if they cannot be there in person.

Personalization discussion

There has been some discussion in past few days, initiated by a group extending ARIA towards personalization, and how that work can be combined with the ideas discussed in this group (eg, manifests). That is a discussion to happen in the upcoming Working Group (personalization is also of a great interest for the publishing work).

Two Interest Group Notes published on Web Publications

The Digital Publishing Interest Group has published two Interest Group Notes, documenting the outcomes of a long standing work exploring the possibilities of Publishing on the Web. The two notes are:

  • Web Publications Use Cases and Requirements collects the use cases and the requirements users and publishers face when publishing documents like electronic books, scholarly journal articles, corporate memos and newsletter, or magazine articles in a digital, Web environment. The document includes 25 different requirements spread over a large number of use cases. The technical considerations related to these requirements are further analyzed in the companion document published also as an Interest Group Note.
  • Web Publications for the Open Web Platform: Vision And Technical Challenges collects a number of technical issues and outlines a number of possible technical approaches to respond to the requirements listed in the companion UCR document. This document introduces Web Publications, a vision for the future of digital publishing based on a fully native representation of documents within the Open Web Platform. Web publications can be packaged and they can be portable. Web publications work online or offline. Web publications can be accessible, linkable, and annotatable.

These two documents serve as inputs, alongside other sources and further deliberations, to a proposed, draft Working Group Charter for a Publishing Working Group.

DPUB IG Telco, 2017-04-24: Charter status, Publication of the final notes

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Charter status

At the time of the meeting there were 20 ‘accept’ votes, and 2 formal objections with comments. The FO-s are being commented upon and a new version of the charter is in the pipeline (see the current discussion thread). Hopefully there will be a consensus soon.

As for the 20 votes, it is a nice number but we still miss some of the major players as well as more TPI members.

PWP document title change and publication

One of the issues in the discussion was around the title of the PWP document, which suggested that this document is, in fact, the FPWD for the WP document (this was not the intention). It was agreed that the document will change its title to “Web publication for the open platform: vision and technical challenges” and to publish both that document and the UCR as IG Notes to avoid any misunderstandings.

F2F meeting location

The F2F meeting will be held at: Adobe Systems Incorporated, 1540 Broadway, 17th floor, New York, NY 10036, (see Google map).

DPUB IG Telco, 2017-04-10: Charter status, Latinreq plans

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At the time of the meeting, there were no open issues on the charter. (Note that since the meeting, but before writing this summary, three new issues appeared.) The plan is to get the approval of the W3M management soon (maybe this week) and then the charter may go for an official vote. The timeline is such that the working group can then start at the end of May or early June.


The continuation of latinreq is now part of the charter. The goal is to document the typesetting & typography traditions and rules as they evolved over 2000 years for documents using latin characters. This community things that there is lots of value in this for the Web, too; many aspects of the CSS work reuse (and should reuse in the future) these experiences.

There are lots of work, but it cannot be dependent on one person only, so the Working Group will have to begin by planning and recruiting volunteers to continue and complete this work.

Meeting minutes of the Publishing Business Group have been published

The Publishing Business Group has had a F2F meeting on the 13th of March, and also had its first teleconference yesterday. The minutes of both meetings are now public:

The discussions, on both meetings, concentrated mostly on the development of the Publishing Working Group (draft) charter.

DPUB IG Telco, 2017-03-20: Final issues on charter, timeline, F2F

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EPUB Summit, PBG F2F

Garth reported on the EPUB Summit 2017, which was a very successful event, with more participants than last year. Lots of presentations on the usage of EPUB, on Readium LCP. Laurent Le Meurs posted a summary.

This was followed by a Publishing BG F2F in London (the minutes of the meeting are also available); that meeting took care of most of the issues in the WG charter. (See full issue list). B.t.w., the WG’s name has been changed to “Publishing WG”.

There was also a discussion on the future of this Interest Group. The feeling is that it will wind down when its charter expires (October 2017), and the work will migrate to the Working Group. The only work in this IG that must continue and has not yet been decided upon is the work on Latinreq; it has been agreed to add this as a possible WG Note output of the Working Group.


The group also discussed the timeline of deliverables that must be added to the charter. There has been a proposal before the IG call and that seemed to be reasonable; it is what is in the charter draft now.

Planned WG F2F Dates and place

With the shift in chartering the original schedule for a F2F early June is not possible. The current target dates are June 22-23, either in NYC or Paris. A poll will be set up to see what the preferences are in the group.

DPUB IG Telco, 2017-03-06: A11y and ARIA in the charter, document publishing

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A11y text in the charter

The text on accessibility in the draft charter was discussed. Avneesh Singh and Deborah Kaplan presented the proposal of the accessibility task force. After some discussion it was agreed that the new text will be added to a separate branch in the charter text, and the decision on whether that change is fine or not will be taken during the week on email.

(Right after the meeting the changes were done, see the separate mail on the details.)

How to handle the ARIA work

The charter draft includes some activities on the development of a DPUB ARAI 2.0, and the question is whether this would be a joined deliverable with the ARIA WG or whether the DPUB WG would do it alone. After some discussion the agreement is the latter.

Document Publishing

The decision is to publish the PWP and the UCR drafts at W3C. This should happen on Thursday, 9th of March.

Possible WG F2F

The discussion about the F2F is still ongoing: there has to be an 8 weeks’ notice in the charter and this would require that the charter is officially on the AC’s desk for voting before the 10th of April. It is unclear whether this is possible; the agreement is that in two weeks the IG takes a final decision whether the meeting dates in NYC should be held, or whether the F2F should be postponed to the end of June.

DPUB IG Telco, 2017-02-27: Publishing BG, Charter, document publishing

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The meeting began by the welcoming of new members of the group: Nick Brown (Ingram/VitalSource) and Jonathan Hevenstone (Wiley/Atypon)

Publishing BG

Bill McCoy gave some updates of the Publishing Business Group. The group is official, people are gathering. There will be a F2F meeting in London on March 13th. The BG has now chosen its three co-chairs: Paul Belfanti, Rick Johnson, and Cristina Mussinelli

The BG should take a leading role in the formulation of the charter.

Remaining technical issues in the charter

  • The online/offline formulation: it has been agreed to go with the text currently in the charter document.
  • Manifest issue: the fear was that the current text could be understood as if all constituent resources were to be listed as part of ordering (which isn’t true). A text was proposed to amend that, and this will be put into the charter text.
  • API-s in the charter: the current charter includes references to two API-s that should be developed. There is a fear that this could dilute the Working Group and the ideas need incubation. The decision was to remove this from the charter


It has been decided to produce a new version of the charter; the only thing remaining to be discussed on the IG level is the changes related to accessibility (t.b.d. next week). The PWP draft and the UCR documents should also be brought to a publication ready level. This has to be done the coming week.

Possible WG F2F

The current consensus continues to be to hold a F2F meeting in New York, on the 5th and 6th of June. This will be after BEA.