WEBVTT 00:00:00.066 --> 00:00:01.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: So, let's move directly 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:04.299 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% to our first session on the development of 00:00:04.366 --> 00:00:06.900 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% Accessibility Conformance Testing rules. 00:00:06.966 --> 00:00:12.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% I want to ask on the virtual stage, Wilco Fiers 00:00:12.566 --> 00:00:19.666 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% from Deque and Kasper Isager from Siteimprove and Carlos 00:00:19.733 --> 00:00:24.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% Duarte - Carlos Duarte from University of Lisbon. 00:00:24.199 --> 00:00:27.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% If the three of you could just briefly - Wilco can 00:00:27.333 --> 00:00:29.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% you say a few words about yourself, just introduce 00:00:29.333 --> 00:00:30.966 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:63% yourself to the audience. 00:00:31.033 --> 00:00:32.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:38% >> WILCO FIERS: I sure can. 00:00:32.266 --> 00:00:34.899 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:40% Can you guys hear me alright? 00:00:34.966 --> 00:00:36.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Yep, all fine. 00:00:36.299 --> 00:00:37.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:38% >> WILCO FIERS: Fantastic. 00:00:37.133 --> 00:00:38.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% Alright, so my name is Wilco Fiers. 00:00:38.866 --> 00:00:40.899 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:63% I work for Deque Systems. 00:00:40.966 --> 00:00:43.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% I am a product owner and project manager. 00:00:43.899 --> 00:00:48.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% There, I am responsible for Axe-core which is Deque's 00:00:48.233 --> 00:00:52.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% open source accessibility engine which Shadi mentioned. 00:00:52.899 --> 00:00:56.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% In addition to that, I spend part of my time 00:00:56.433 --> 00:00:58.266 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:45% on W3C activities. 00:00:58.333 --> 00:01:04.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% I am the chair of the ACT Rules Community Group, a 00:01:04.633 --> 00:01:08.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% facilitator on the ACT Task Force, as well as a 00:01:09.033 --> 00:01:13.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% member of the Silver Task Force which is 00:01:13.066 --> 00:01:17.200 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:70% currently developing WCAG 3. 00:01:17.266 --> 00:01:18.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Thank you, Wilco. 00:01:18.633 --> 00:01:21.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% And all these groups that Wilco mentioned, the task 00:01:21.766 --> 00:01:23.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% force and community group and so on, will 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:25.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% be explained in this presentation. 00:01:25.833 --> 00:01:27.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% >> WILCO FIERS: Don't worry about. 00:01:27.566 --> 00:01:28.233 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:33% We'll get it. 00:01:28.299 --> 00:01:30.233 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:40% We'll get to it. 00:01:30.299 --> 00:01:31.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: We'll get there. 00:01:31.633 --> 00:01:32.233 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:38% Piece by piece. 00:01:32.299 --> 00:01:33.666 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:60% We love acronyms in W3C. 00:01:33.733 --> 00:01:36.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:78% >> WILCO FIERS: I have too many hats also, to be fair. 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:40.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Kasper, please introduce yourself. 00:01:40.666 --> 00:01:41.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% >> KASPER ISAGER: Yes, I will make it short. 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:43.466 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:65% I don't have as many hats. 00:01:43.533 --> 00:01:46.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% My name is Kasper Isager and I work as the product 00:01:46.766 --> 00:01:49.299 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:38% owner of Alfa at Siteimprove. 00:01:49.366 --> 00:01:52.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:43% And then Alfa is our accessibility 00:01:52.099 --> 00:01:54.099 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:60% conformance test engine. 00:01:56.500 --> 00:01:57.099 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Welcome. 00:01:57.166 --> 00:02:01.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% Well, you don't need to be so humble. 00:02:01.633 --> 00:02:05.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% Kasper is a mastermind of a lot of the accessibility 00:02:05.500 --> 00:02:10.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% engines at Siteimprove as far as I know. 00:02:14.166 --> 00:02:16.199 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% >> CARLOS DUARTE: Hi, I'm Carlos Duarte. 00:02:16.266 --> 00:02:19.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% I teach - well my main responsibility is to teach 00:02:19.466 --> 00:02:23.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:75% computer science at the University of Lisbon, although 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:28.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% my research is focused a lot on web accessibility. 00:02:28.233 --> 00:02:31.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% And so, as part of my responsibilities in teaching 00:02:31.500 --> 00:02:35.699 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% computer science, I also teach web accessibility to my 00:02:35.766 --> 00:02:40.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% students and I also have some more hats. 00:02:40.666 --> 00:02:46.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% Together with Wilco, I'm co-chairing the ACT 00:02:46.099 --> 00:02:52.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% Community Group and also another hat for the W3C 00:02:52.133 --> 00:02:53.900 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% where I do work for the Education and Outreach 00:02:53.966 --> 00:02:59.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% Working Group, specifically on preparing the new - the 00:03:00.033 --> 00:03:02.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% curricula, the new web accessibility curricula. 00:03:05.900 --> 00:03:07.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Thank you, Carlos. 00:03:07.233 --> 00:03:09.500 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:50% And Wilco, go ahead. 00:03:09.566 --> 00:03:13.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% Take it away please with the presentation. 00:03:18.566 --> 00:03:19.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:35% And this time you are muted. 00:03:19.900 --> 00:03:21.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:40% >> WILCO FIERS: I should unmute. 00:03:21.533 --> 00:03:22.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% Do you mind going to the next slide? 00:03:28.166 --> 00:03:29.566 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:50% Thank you very much. 00:03:29.633 --> 00:03:35.333 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:75% So, I just wanted to get into the goals of ACT really quick. 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:37.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:43% Again, ACT stands for Accessibility 00:03:37.633 --> 00:03:39.300 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:50% Conformance Testing. 00:03:39.366 --> 00:03:42.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% The project wasn't setup as part of WAI-Tools. 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:46.300 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:43% It predates it by several years. 00:03:46.366 --> 00:03:51.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% Some of you may also know it as Auto-WCAG which is a 00:03:51.133 --> 00:03:57.199 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:78% group that later got renamed to the ACT Rules Group. 00:04:00.300 --> 00:04:03.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% And the reason that group was started off is to 00:04:03.699 --> 00:04:07.199 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% improve consistency in accessibility testing. 00:04:07.266 --> 00:04:10.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% So, one of the greater challenges Shadi mentioned 00:04:10.900 --> 00:04:13.199 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:55% is consistent testing. 00:04:13.266 --> 00:04:17.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% You do want, when you get a report from somebody, 00:04:17.533 --> 00:04:22.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% for that report to be accurate and based on 00:04:22.533 --> 00:04:25.000 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:48% well-founded ideas. 00:04:25.066 --> 00:04:29.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% Otherwise, you might fix something and you have 00:04:29.300 --> 00:04:32.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% somebody else take a look at it and they find more things. 00:04:32.533 --> 00:04:35.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% Or they may find completely contradicting 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:40.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:48% things which can be fairly frustrating. 00:04:40.566 --> 00:04:44.399 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% If you don't have a clear definition of when your 00:04:44.466 --> 00:04:48.300 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% project is sufficiently accessible, that makes 00:04:48.366 --> 00:04:51.966 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:43% life pretty hard. 00:04:52.033 --> 00:04:58.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% This kind of gets exacerbated when you look 00:04:58.066 --> 00:05:01.800 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% at something like European Union which is starting to 00:05:01.866 --> 00:05:07.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% track the accessibility of government websites across 00:05:07.833 --> 00:05:09.466 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:50% the whole of Europe. 00:05:09.533 --> 00:05:12.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% If Denmark tests things in a different way than the 00:05:12.500 --> 00:05:15.399 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% Netherlands does, what you'll end up with is with 00:05:15.466 --> 00:05:20.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% results that don't - aren't very comparable. 00:05:20.100 --> 00:05:25.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% Even worse, you might have a website that is relevant 00:05:25.100 --> 00:05:27.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% in multiple countries and if they used different 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:30.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% testing methodologies to gauge whether or not you 00:05:30.533 --> 00:05:33.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% complied with the law - because that's what we're 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:37.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% getting to at a certain point; it should be legally 00:05:37.933 --> 00:05:40.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% required to meet these standards - if they are 00:05:40.833 --> 00:05:45.300 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% testing along different methods, you may find that 00:05:45.366 --> 00:05:49.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% your website complies in one country but not in the other 00:05:49.133 --> 00:05:53.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% even though you're testing along the same WCAG standard. 00:05:53.566 --> 00:05:56.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% So, that's really the issue and the problem 00:05:56.633 --> 00:05:57.933 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:45% isn't too extreme. 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:00.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% Like, it's not like WCAG is all over the place and 00:06:00.899 --> 00:06:04.899 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:50% results go anywhere. 00:06:04.966 --> 00:06:11.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% But there are differences there and it kind of erodes 00:06:11.533 --> 00:06:15.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% the trust that you can get from results like that. 00:06:15.066 --> 00:06:20.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% So, that is what ACT was setup to do. 00:06:20.633 --> 00:06:25.600 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% And our goal there is, as I mentioned, we started 00:06:25.666 --> 00:06:29.199 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% first off with Auto-WCAG which is really focused on 00:06:29.266 --> 00:06:31.100 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:65% doing this for automation. 00:06:31.166 --> 00:06:35.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% But then we broadened it out to address testing 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:37.800 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:55% methodologies as well. 00:06:37.866 --> 00:06:40.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% And testing methodology is not a well-established 00:06:40.500 --> 00:06:44.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% term but if you ask around in accessibility 00:06:44.566 --> 00:06:47.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% institutions around the world, most of them have 00:06:47.899 --> 00:06:52.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% some sort of document that tells you how to interpret 00:06:52.699 --> 00:06:55.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% WCAG, like what you do with this particular element 00:06:55.899 --> 00:06:59.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% on a page and with that particular element on a page. 00:06:59.533 --> 00:07:04.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:78% One of the great things about the kind of accessibility 00:07:04.233 --> 00:07:11.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% guidelines is that it was written in a way that it is 00:07:11.100 --> 00:07:14.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% technology agnostic so that it can live for a long time, 00:07:14.533 --> 00:07:18.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% so that it isn't just applicable to one particular 00:07:18.699 --> 00:07:21.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% version of the web standards, but it should be applicable 00:07:22.033 --> 00:07:24.000 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:38% to all of them. 00:07:24.066 --> 00:07:26.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% But that also means there is some vagueness there 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:30.800 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% that does require that interpretation. 00:07:30.866 --> 00:07:33.666 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% So those interpretations, those are what we are 00:07:33.733 --> 00:07:38.199 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% trying to capture with the ACT Rules and so this is 00:07:38.266 --> 00:07:42.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% applicable really to lots and lots of organizations. 00:07:42.699 --> 00:07:44.699 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:45% Next slide please. 00:07:49.866 --> 00:07:53.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% So, we've developed this rules format, the ACT Rules 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:59.899 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% Format, and the benefits of that are fairly wide. 00:07:59.966 --> 00:08:04.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% So, like I mentioned, we've been working with 00:08:04.300 --> 00:08:06.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% this format for several years now. 00:08:06.433 --> 00:08:09.199 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% That is really the goal of this project, is to use 00:08:09.266 --> 00:08:12.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% the rules format and develop these rules. 00:08:12.100 --> 00:08:16.300 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:80% And it has really improved the quality of the organizations 00:08:16.366 --> 00:08:21.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:75% that have adopted this, like in noticeable ways things 00:08:21.333 --> 00:08:24.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:40% have gotten more consistent. 00:08:24.566 --> 00:08:27.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% That has been between the project partners but also 00:08:27.500 --> 00:08:31.600 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% organizations outside of the WAI-Tools Project that 00:08:31.666 --> 00:08:35.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% have been using the ACT Rules to make their tools, 00:08:35.833 --> 00:08:38.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:75% to make their testing methodologies more consistent. 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:41.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% So, we are seeing concrete evidence that this 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:43.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:35% approach seems to be working. 00:08:46.566 --> 00:08:52.666 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% By writing these rules, we then have a more 00:08:52.733 --> 00:08:57.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% authoritative set of things that we know are 00:08:57.833 --> 00:09:02.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% conforming to WCAG or are not conforming to WCAG and 00:09:03.033 --> 00:09:06.399 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% what we've ended up doing is to share these rules 00:09:06.466 --> 00:09:09.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% with the W3C and to have those published. 00:09:09.566 --> 00:09:12.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% There are currently eleven of the rules that have been 00:09:12.833 --> 00:09:15.399 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% developed, that have been published by the W3C. 00:09:15.466 --> 00:09:19.100 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% So, these are really validated by the people 00:09:19.166 --> 00:09:21.566 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:60% that wrote the standard. 00:09:21.633 --> 00:09:24.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% So, this gives us a lot more credibility as well 00:09:24.299 --> 00:09:25.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:40% for the work that we've done. 00:09:25.533 --> 00:09:29.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% This is the way you're supposed to interpret WCAG 00:09:29.500 --> 00:09:35.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% for the HTML standard or for SVG documents. 00:09:35.933 --> 00:09:38.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% And by doing this, we resolve a lot of open 00:09:39.033 --> 00:09:41.100 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:48% questions for WCAG. 00:09:41.166 --> 00:09:49.399 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% One example of such a question is if you have an 00:09:49.466 --> 00:09:53.899 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% image with the text right next to it and the image 00:09:53.966 --> 00:09:58.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% basically says the same as the text, does that image 00:09:58.100 --> 00:10:01.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:48% need to have a text alternative or not? 00:10:01.933 --> 00:10:05.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:43% It's kind of a debated question. 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:08.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% Some accessibility experts say yes, some 00:10:08.266 --> 00:10:10.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% accessibility experts say no, you absolutely should 00:10:10.500 --> 00:10:14.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% not do that, and the rules answer this question for us 00:10:14.933 --> 00:10:18.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% definitively so we do not have to have these 00:10:18.833 --> 00:10:21.200 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:55% conversations anymore. 00:10:21.266 --> 00:10:25.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% It clears things up in a lot of ways. 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:31.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% And by clearing this up, we enable organizations to 00:10:31.266 --> 00:10:36.666 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% test more consistently, which - allows accessibility 00:10:36.733 --> 00:10:39.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% results to be more widely trusted. 00:10:39.133 --> 00:10:43.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% You can trust that one organization using ACT 00:10:43.533 --> 00:10:49.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% Rules will produce almost identical results to another 00:10:49.899 --> 00:10:53.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% organization using those same sets of rules. 00:10:53.266 --> 00:10:55.299 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% There can still be small differences but the 00:10:55.366 --> 00:10:58.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% differences are far smaller than what they used to be. 00:10:58.766 --> 00:11:01.166 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:45% Next slide please. 00:11:07.100 --> 00:11:09.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% So, just to get into some of the things that you 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:12.000 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:48% get from ACT Rules. 00:11:12.066 --> 00:11:16.100 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% I think I might have been going over time already, 00:11:16.166 --> 00:11:17.600 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:60% so I'll keep that quick. 00:11:17.666 --> 00:11:23.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% So, ACT Rules use unambiguous language which 00:11:23.333 --> 00:11:25.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% is great because it helps you answer things 00:11:25.933 --> 00:11:28.266 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:55% in a very precise way. 00:11:28.333 --> 00:11:33.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% If you need to know what something means, how to 00:11:33.133 --> 00:11:36.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% interpret a thing, the ACT Rules offer a 00:11:36.100 --> 00:11:39.033 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:63% very precise description. 00:11:39.100 --> 00:11:45.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:78% So there's no more, well, it depends kind of thing going on. 00:11:45.233 --> 00:11:48.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% ACT Rules are very clear on when something should 00:11:48.100 --> 00:11:50.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% pass and when something should fail. 00:11:50.133 --> 00:11:57.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% ACT Rules also document assistive technologies. 00:11:57.866 --> 00:12:03.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% If something doesn't work in some screen readers but 00:12:04.033 --> 00:12:06.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% it does in others, you can find that information 00:12:06.566 --> 00:12:10.100 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% in the rules and this helps you frame how to 00:12:10.166 --> 00:12:12.299 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:58% understand the results. 00:12:12.366 --> 00:12:15.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% So, in some cases you may still see an issue if you 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:18.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% try something with a particular screen reader 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:22.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% that you don't see in the report. 00:12:22.133 --> 00:12:24.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% That really helps you understand what the 00:12:24.933 --> 00:12:26.100 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:55% results actually mean. 00:12:26.166 --> 00:12:30.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% Then they document assumptions. 00:12:31.033 --> 00:12:37.600 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% So, if there are very unlikely edge cases or if 00:12:37.666 --> 00:12:40.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% there's a particular interpretation that may be 00:12:40.566 --> 00:12:47.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% controversial or that is unusual, then that will be 00:12:47.233 --> 00:12:49.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% documented in the rule itself so you will 00:12:49.833 --> 00:12:54.399 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% understand why is the result the way it is and 00:12:54.466 --> 00:12:59.399 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% that really helps you frame the results again. 00:12:59.466 --> 00:13:04.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% And then lastly but not least important either, 00:13:04.266 --> 00:13:08.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% diagnostic for tools and methodologies. 00:13:08.233 --> 00:13:12.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% We want ACT Rules to be something that can be 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:17.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% implemented irrespective of whether or not you're 00:13:17.299 --> 00:13:20.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% doing it manually or if you're automating. 00:13:20.500 --> 00:13:23.899 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:43% That really shouldn't matter. 00:13:23.966 --> 00:13:26.399 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% It shouldn't matter if you're using a particular 00:13:26.466 --> 00:13:31.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:78% technology stack in your tool or some other technology stack. 00:13:31.866 --> 00:13:34.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% These are written in a way that everybody is 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:36.799 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:70% doing accessibility testing. 00:13:36.866 --> 00:13:39.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% Whether it be fully automated or completely 00:13:39.333 --> 00:13:42.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% manual or somewhere in between, you should be 00:13:42.299 --> 00:13:44.200 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:60% able to implement these. 00:13:44.266 --> 00:13:50.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% I think with that, I am passing it on to Kasper. 00:13:50.233 --> 00:13:53.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:43% >> KASPER ISAGER: Alrighty. 00:13:53.333 --> 00:13:57.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% So, I will just briefly talk about the rules that 00:13:57.066 --> 00:14:00.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% we developed as part of the project and then also 00:14:00.299 --> 00:14:04.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% briefly touch on how these were actually developed. 00:14:04.433 --> 00:14:09.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% So, just for an overview, we initially set out to 00:14:09.333 --> 00:14:13.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% develop a total of seventy of these ACT Rules, of 00:14:13.433 --> 00:14:16.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% which we wanted thirty to be fully automatable, 00:14:16.566 --> 00:14:18.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% twenty-five of them were to be semi-automatable, 00:14:18.933 --> 00:14:23.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% and fifteen were to be completely manual rules. 00:14:23.866 --> 00:14:27.399 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% And we started out by trying to cover as much 00:14:27.466 --> 00:14:31.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% crowd as possible in terms of the type of content 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:32.600 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:65% that the rules dealt with. 00:14:32.666 --> 00:14:35.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% So, we were looking at the text content, graphics, 00:14:35.866 --> 00:14:40.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% audio/visual media, all the stuff that was really 00:14:40.066 --> 00:14:44.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% based on, in many cases, the existing rulesets that 00:14:44.299 --> 00:14:47.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% the individual project partners already had 00:14:47.066 --> 00:14:49.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% implemented in their individual tools. 00:14:49.700 --> 00:14:53.100 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:75% And then later on as the project progressed, we started 00:14:53.166 --> 00:14:55.333 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% seeing more and more specialized rules focused 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:58.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% on increasingly narrow aspects of their content. 00:14:58.566 --> 00:15:01.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% We started looking at stuff like orientational 00:15:02.033 --> 00:15:09.100 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% arcs implemented using CSS and also things like CSS 00:15:09.166 --> 00:15:13.100 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% declarations that couldn't be overwritten by the users. 00:15:13.166 --> 00:15:16.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% So, much more specialized failure cases than the 00:15:16.566 --> 00:15:19.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% stuff that we initially covered. 00:15:19.299 --> 00:15:21.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% We also ended up developing several rules 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:26.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% that didn't relate directly to the WCAG but 00:15:26.233 --> 00:15:29.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% we are looking at things like WAI-ARIA conformance 00:15:29.266 --> 00:15:32.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% and also its associated authoring practices that 00:15:32.100 --> 00:15:36.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% define best practices for use of WAI-ARIA. 00:15:36.899 --> 00:15:39.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% And with that, I will cue the next slide. 00:15:43.466 --> 00:15:44.666 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:25% Thank you. 00:15:44.733 --> 00:15:47.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% So, as already mentioned, these rules were developed 00:15:47.133 --> 00:15:51.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% in an open W3C Community Group, and within that 00:15:51.700 --> 00:15:53.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% group the first thing we of course had to decide, 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.899 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% also among the project partners, were which rules 00:15:56.966 --> 00:15:59.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% we actually wanted to develop. 00:15:59.500 --> 00:16:02.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% And for this, we had a list of a defined 00:16:02.299 --> 00:16:05.666 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% selection criteria so we would look at things like, 00:16:05.733 --> 00:16:10.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% so, a proposed rule for example or how many new 00:16:10.566 --> 00:16:12.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% additional success criteria from the WCAG 00:16:12.633 --> 00:16:15.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% does it cover that we haven't already covered, and what is 00:16:15.700 --> 00:16:19.600 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% the, sort of the options both across the project partners 00:16:19.666 --> 00:16:23.333 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% and how easy would it be to implement in our tools, 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:26.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% and also how likely was it that this was a rule that 00:16:26.833 --> 00:16:29.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% would be picked up by the community. 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:33.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% And then once we had selected rules to develop, 00:16:33.233 --> 00:16:36.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% we would incubate them in this open community group 00:16:37.033 --> 00:16:39.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% with input both from the project partners but also 00:16:39.933 --> 00:16:40.833 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:50% the wider community. 00:16:40.899 --> 00:16:42.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% And this is really when the bulk of the work was 00:16:42.899 --> 00:16:46.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% spent, with the biggest and most important point 00:16:46.633 --> 00:16:49.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% probably being reaching a consensus on 00:16:49.633 --> 00:16:53.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% interpretation of whatever success criteria it was 00:16:53.633 --> 00:16:56.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% that the rule is supposed to test and also 00:16:56.833 --> 00:16:59.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% researching, like, the real world implications of 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:03.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% what the rule would look at, figuring out so under 00:17:03.333 --> 00:17:06.299 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% what assumptions would the thing that the rule looked 00:17:06.366 --> 00:17:09.266 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:63% at actually be a problem. 00:17:09.333 --> 00:17:11.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% And in case those assumptions didn't hold, 00:17:11.266 --> 00:17:15.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% then would there actually be an actual problem? 00:17:15.066 --> 00:17:19.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% So, really finding out where, you know, theory 00:17:19.900 --> 00:17:23.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:48% and reality aligned and agreeing on an 00:17:23.266 --> 00:17:25.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% interpretation that will then form the basis of the 00:17:25.299 --> 00:17:27.033 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:60% rules that we developed. 00:17:27.099 --> 00:17:30.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% And once we had the rules developed, they were 00:17:30.433 --> 00:17:32.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% implemented by the project partners in our various 00:17:32.900 --> 00:17:36.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% tools and also validated by another project partner 00:17:36.666 --> 00:17:39.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% on this fixed set of real web pages that we 00:17:39.633 --> 00:17:42.666 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:60% had selected beforehand. 00:17:42.733 --> 00:17:47.333 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% And then once implemented and validated and matured 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:50.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% in the community, we would ship them off to the ACT 00:17:50.866 --> 00:17:56.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% Task Force to eventually be included as official 00:17:56.066 --> 00:17:58.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:48% live resources on the WAI webpage. 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:04.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% And with that, I will pass it on to Carlos. 00:18:08.533 --> 00:18:10.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% >> CARLOS DUARTE: Thank you, Kasper. 00:18:10.133 --> 00:18:15.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% I'm going to start by talking a bit about how 00:18:16.033 --> 00:18:18.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:43% does this impact you, okay. 00:18:18.299 --> 00:18:23.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% So, what does it mean for you, for the community, 00:18:23.133 --> 00:18:27.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% that we have developed seventy rules? 00:18:27.933 --> 00:18:33.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% So, first it means that we now have more than seventy 00:18:33.666 --> 00:18:38.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% different aspects about WCAG that at least three different 00:18:38.266 --> 00:18:40.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% organizations agree on how they need to be tested. 00:18:40.833 --> 00:18:44.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% Okay, so I think this is already very significant. 00:18:44.666 --> 00:18:47.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% And when I say at least three different 00:18:47.466 --> 00:18:51.333 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% organizations, I'm not saying three different 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:53.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% project partners, and this is something that 00:18:53.866 --> 00:18:55.633 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:63% Kasper just talked about. 00:18:55.700 --> 00:18:59.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% So, because the main work we've done in this project 00:18:59.099 --> 00:19:02.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% was done in the scope of the ACT Community Group, 00:19:02.233 --> 00:19:05.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% which means that it was an open group and its work 00:19:05.766 --> 00:19:07.833 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:58% was publicly available. 00:19:07.900 --> 00:19:10.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% So, we are not just three project 00:19:10.766 --> 00:19:12.299 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:70% partners reaching consensus. 00:19:12.366 --> 00:19:15.233 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:53% It's wider than that. 00:19:15.299 --> 00:19:19.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% And there were involvement at different levels from 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:21.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% these organizations outside the project that 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:24.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% fortunately was not just at the rule writing 00:19:24.633 --> 00:19:25.733 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:50% and reviewing level. 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:30.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% So, not surprisingly, the project partners included 00:19:30.266 --> 00:19:34.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:75% in their products, the ACT Rules that we were developing. 00:19:34.900 --> 00:19:38.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% But I think we can say that we are really happy to see 00:19:38.933 --> 00:19:41.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% that other organizations started to do the same. 00:19:41.566 --> 00:19:45.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% So, the other two vendors have now products that 00:19:45.700 --> 00:19:49.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% include conformance testing using ACT Rules, 00:19:49.900 --> 00:19:54.333 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% manual testing methodologies that also 00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:57.166 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:45% include ACT Rules. 00:19:57.233 --> 00:20:01.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% So, from this you can understand that ACT Rules 00:20:01.433 --> 00:20:05.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% already have an impact on several tools, on several 00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:09.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% methodologies, and let me stress this out again, not 00:20:09.900 --> 00:20:12.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% only from the tools and methodologies made 00:20:12.766 --> 00:20:16.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:43% available by the project partners. 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:20.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% So, if you use one of these tools or if you have 00:20:20.466 --> 00:20:23.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% your projects checked with one of those 00:20:23.533 --> 00:20:27.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% methodologies, then ACT Rules have already 00:20:27.466 --> 00:20:32.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% impacted you, and we can also say - you will be 00:20:32.766 --> 00:20:36.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% able to hear about this in the next presentation - 00:20:36.933 --> 00:20:40.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% that these tools and these methodologies are being 00:20:40.866 --> 00:20:43.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% used by monitoring bodies across Europe. 00:20:43.666 --> 00:20:47.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% So, we are already witnessing the impact of 00:20:47.466 --> 00:20:51.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:35% ACT Rules at a large scale. 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:54.299 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% And we believe that ACT Rules will play an 00:20:54.366 --> 00:20:57.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% important role for the European monitoring 00:20:57.099 --> 00:20:59.599 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:55% efforts as Wilco said. 00:20:59.666 --> 00:21:03.099 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% So, given the consistency that the ACT Rules offer, 00:21:03.166 --> 00:21:06.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% even when monitoring agencies from different 00:21:06.466 --> 00:21:09.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% countries use different tools, if those tools 00:21:09.900 --> 00:21:13.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% implement ACT Rules, then their results can be 00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:16.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% compared with a higher degree of confidence. 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:21.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:75% We think this is already a great start but in the future, 00:21:21.433 --> 00:21:24.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% we can only hope that the impact will be even bigger. 00:21:24.933 --> 00:21:28.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% So, as also Wilco mentioned, eleven of the 00:21:28.433 --> 00:21:32.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% ACT Rules developed by the project and adopted by the 00:21:32.566 --> 00:21:35.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% community have already been published by the W3C. 00:21:35.900 --> 00:21:39.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% There are more in the pipeline that should soon 00:21:39.700 --> 00:21:44.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% increase this number and I think that the interest in 00:21:44.766 --> 00:21:47.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% ACT Rules is only bound to grow when the community 00:21:47.766 --> 00:21:51.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% starts finding ACT Rules elsewhere. 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:54.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% Shadi, can you move to the next slide, please? 00:21:58.000 --> 00:21:58.933 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:18% Thanks. 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:03.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% So, you have a screenshot, so a sneak peek at the 00:22:03.933 --> 00:22:12.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% Understanding document for WCAG 2.2 soon to be released. 00:22:12.566 --> 00:22:17.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% And you can find there - yes, thanks, Shadi - a new 00:22:17.566 --> 00:22:21.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% section on Understanding ACT Rules and we have this 00:22:21.466 --> 00:22:24.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% section at the same level that we have currently for 00:22:24.233 --> 00:22:28.099 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% the Understanding Techniques for WCAG's success criteria. 00:22:28.166 --> 00:22:31.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% So, this is really exciting and we are really 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:36.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% seeing ACT Rules being adopted and promoted. 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:40.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% Okay, so now I want to talk to you about how you 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:44.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% can contribute to keep ACT Rules going on. 00:22:44.933 --> 00:22:48.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% So, we like to believe that this was a successful 00:22:48.566 --> 00:22:53.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% project and that we really kickstarted the work on 00:22:53.233 --> 00:22:55.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% ACT Rules but now it's up to you, to the community 00:22:55.500 --> 00:22:57.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:38% to keep this momentum going. 00:22:57.566 --> 00:23:01.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% And fortunately, there are many ways in which 00:23:01.299 --> 00:23:02.200 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:48% you can contribute. 00:23:02.266 --> 00:23:05.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% For instance, if you are a tool or a methodology 00:23:05.933 --> 00:23:09.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% developer, you can start by checking how well 00:23:09.066 --> 00:23:12.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% aligned your project is to the current consensus 00:23:13.033 --> 00:23:15.066 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:58% expressed in ACT Rules. 00:23:15.133 --> 00:23:17.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% So you can read the rules that are related to the 00:23:17.666 --> 00:23:19.366 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:60% checks that you support. 00:23:19.433 --> 00:23:24.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% You can see how well you do on the published test cases. 00:23:24.266 --> 00:23:27.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% And you don't agree with some aspect of the rule? 00:23:28.033 --> 00:23:29.000 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:15% Great. 00:23:29.066 --> 00:23:32.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% We did try our best but we know we are not flawless. 00:23:32.533 --> 00:23:35.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% So, raise an issue reporting what you found 00:23:35.333 --> 00:23:39.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% and it will be discussed in the community and the 00:23:39.299 --> 00:23:41.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% rule will be updated if needed. 00:23:41.266 --> 00:23:44.900 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:38% It wouldn't be the first time. 00:23:44.966 --> 00:23:47.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% While you are at it, you can send us the 00:23:47.633 --> 00:23:50.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% implementation reports of your tools and methodologies. 00:23:50.833 --> 00:23:53.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% In the ACT Rules website, we have a section for 00:23:54.033 --> 00:23:56.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% implementations where all reports that we 00:23:56.433 --> 00:23:58.299 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:55% receive are displayed. 00:23:58.366 --> 00:24:01.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% So, this is a great way to let the community know 00:24:01.433 --> 00:24:04.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% that your products are supported by ACT Rules. 00:24:04.700 --> 00:24:08.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% And irrespectively of your developing tools or 00:24:08.833 --> 00:24:12.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% methodologies or being a user of such or a monitoring 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:16.299 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% body or someone that's responsible for 00:24:16.366 --> 00:24:19.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% publishing accessible information on the web, be 00:24:19.666 --> 00:24:23.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% happy because there are other ways you can help. 00:24:23.099 --> 00:24:25.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:78% We are always looking for more people to help reviewing rules. 00:24:25.833 --> 00:24:28.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% So, it's great to have people with different 00:24:28.299 --> 00:24:31.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% experience and perspectives contributing to this work. 00:24:31.900 --> 00:24:34.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% If you have an idea for a rule, you can write it. 00:24:34.766 --> 00:24:37.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% Don't worry if you feel overwhelmed 00:24:37.466 --> 00:24:38.866 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:53% about writing a rule. 00:24:38.933 --> 00:24:41.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% You can team up with others and do it as a 00:24:41.266 --> 00:24:43.000 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:55% collaborative project. 00:24:43.066 --> 00:24:45.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% That's what we are all doing here, collaborating 00:24:45.766 --> 00:24:48.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:40% to make the web more accessible. 00:24:48.233 --> 00:24:52.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% And to do any of this, you don't have to be a W3C 00:24:52.466 --> 00:24:56.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% member, but if you are or want to become one, then 00:24:56.533 --> 00:24:58.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% you can actively contribute to support the 00:24:58.833 --> 00:25:03.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% adoption of more rules into WCAG 2.2 and potentially 00:25:03.066 --> 00:25:07.466 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:38% the new WCAG 3. 00:25:07.533 --> 00:25:11.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% So, Shadi, I think we can move to the final slide. 00:25:11.433 --> 00:25:18.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% And you can find more details about ACT Rules 00:25:18.266 --> 00:25:20.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:48% and how you can join this community 00:25:20.533 --> 00:25:28.533 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:58% at act-rules.github.io. 00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:32.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% And thanks for listening and I think Shadi, now you 00:25:32.566 --> 00:25:35.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:43% want to take some questions, right? 00:25:35.133 --> 00:25:37.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Yes, questions are coming in. 00:25:37.700 --> 00:25:40.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% Thank you, everybody who is contributing questions. 00:25:40.299 --> 00:25:44.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:80% If you have questions, now is the time in the Q&A function. 00:25:44.133 --> 00:25:46.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% Before we get to that, just to get a little bit 00:25:46.333 --> 00:25:53.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% of a feel, how many people are subscribed to the 00:25:53.766 --> 00:25:56.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% community group and roughly how many are 00:25:56.833 --> 00:26:02.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% active in the calls and, you know, the active part 00:26:02.533 --> 00:26:05.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:40% of the work, not just subscribed? 00:26:05.466 --> 00:26:08.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:48% Who wants to take that question? 00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:09.900 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:38% >> WILCO FIERS: I'll take it. 00:26:09.966 --> 00:26:13.900 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% It depends a little bit because there are two 00:26:13.966 --> 00:26:19.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% groups, one in W3C itself and a Community Group which 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:24.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% has no official standing at the W3C but is hosted by it. 00:26:24.066 --> 00:26:28.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% The Community Group has, I believe, around ninety 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:31.266 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:45% members right now. 00:26:31.333 --> 00:26:35.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% As for active participants, again that 00:26:35.333 --> 00:26:37.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% depends on how active you mean active. 00:26:37.633 --> 00:26:42.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% I think right now we have ten to twelve people that 00:26:42.299 --> 00:26:49.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% regularly attend meetings like every month, every 00:26:49.233 --> 00:26:53.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% twice a month, something like that. 00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:55.900 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% There's a whole bunch of people that are slightly 00:26:55.966 --> 00:27:01.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% less active but that still regularly contribute. 00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:04.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% As a rule comes up that they are interested in, 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:05.099 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:55% they'll drop a review. 00:27:05.166 --> 00:27:09.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% That happens quite a lot and I frequently get 00:27:09.066 --> 00:27:12.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% surprised by new people who have come out of 00:27:12.500 --> 00:27:14.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% nowhere and submitted some information. 00:27:17.099 --> 00:27:18.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Thanks. 00:27:18.099 --> 00:27:19.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% Yeah, I just wanted to give a little bit of an 00:27:19.099 --> 00:27:22.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% idea and people are, as you were saying, Wilco, 00:27:22.466 --> 00:27:24.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% participating in different ways. 00:27:24.066 --> 00:27:26.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:80% Some people are attending the calls and discussing things. 00:27:26.566 --> 00:27:29.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% Others completely asynchronously, they are 00:27:29.266 --> 00:27:33.700 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:65% using the GitHub platform. 00:27:33.766 --> 00:27:37.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% >> WILCO FIERS: Yeah, it's - it takes relatively 00:27:37.466 --> 00:27:39.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% little time for anybody to participate. 00:27:39.833 --> 00:27:42.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% You can spend as little or as much time as you want. 00:27:42.566 --> 00:27:46.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% I do also think it's worth mentioning that just from 00:27:46.433 --> 00:27:49.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% the people that have joined over the last year 00:27:49.666 --> 00:27:54.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% maybe, year and half, I frequently hear that they 00:27:54.066 --> 00:27:58.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% join and they find it a lot of fun and they learn a lot. 00:27:58.633 --> 00:28:01.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% It is a group where you get to learn quite a lot 00:28:01.666 --> 00:28:04.033 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:65% of in-depth accessibility. 00:28:04.099 --> 00:28:07.099 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% So, if you're interested in the nitty gritty details 00:28:07.166 --> 00:28:09.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% of accessibility, this is really a good 00:28:09.266 --> 00:28:11.099 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% group for you to participate in. 00:28:11.166 --> 00:28:13.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Great. 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:16.666 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% So, one of the questions that we have is - I'll 00:28:16.733 --> 00:28:20.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% read it aloud - WCAG is supposed to be interpreted 00:28:20.666 --> 00:28:23.333 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:48% to be relevant in different contexts. 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:25.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:75% In one country, users might be using older assistive 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% technology for example and it would be relevant to use 00:28:28.866 --> 00:28:31.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% all the techniques to meet the requirement. 00:28:31.533 --> 00:28:33.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% Then in a country where all users have the latest 00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:37.666 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% versions of assistive technology, in practice it 00:28:37.733 --> 00:28:41.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% means a solution that is good enough in Germany for 00:28:41.466 --> 00:28:45.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% example, might not be good enough in Italy for example. 00:28:45.466 --> 00:28:46.500 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:43% And that is fine. 00:28:46.566 --> 00:28:49.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% So, how do the ACT Rules take this into account? 00:28:54.933 --> 00:28:56.533 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:20% Silence? 00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:58.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% >> WILCO FIERS: You want to pick somebody? 00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:01.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% I mean I can answer all of them if you want, but. 00:29:01.133 --> 00:29:02.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Go ahead. 00:29:02.466 --> 00:29:06.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% >> WILCO FIERS: Okay, so, it's a really good question. 00:29:06.466 --> 00:29:07.233 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:25% Thank you. 00:29:07.299 --> 00:29:11.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:40% How do ACT Rules deal with that? 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:13.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% ACT Rules have an accessibility support 00:29:13.866 --> 00:29:18.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% section, so if we know about these differences, 00:29:18.533 --> 00:29:21.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% we will mention them in that section. 00:29:21.466 --> 00:29:24.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% You can find information about things that may work 00:29:24.500 --> 00:29:28.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% slightly differently depending on which 00:29:28.666 --> 00:29:30.266 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:65% technology you were using. 00:29:30.333 --> 00:29:32.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% That information is documented in the rule and 00:29:33.033 --> 00:29:37.299 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% if you happen to know any that isn't, please open an 00:29:37.366 --> 00:29:38.933 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:63% issue and we will add it. 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:43.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:40% It belongs in those documents. 00:29:43.533 --> 00:29:45.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% I also think it's worth mentioning those 00:29:45.299 --> 00:29:47.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% differences aren't that big anymore. 00:29:50.266 --> 00:29:53.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% The types of assistive technologies that people 00:29:53.333 --> 00:29:57.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% are using tend to be international ones. 00:29:57.233 --> 00:30:00.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% There are only a handful of big players out there, 00:30:00.566 --> 00:30:03.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% so the differences really aren't that big 00:30:03.766 --> 00:30:06.000 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:48% anymore these days. 00:30:06.066 --> 00:30:11.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% What does matter a little bit is whether or not you 00:30:11.766 --> 00:30:14.099 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:53% exclude some of them. 00:30:14.166 --> 00:30:17.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% So, for example, if you want to exclude a common 00:30:17.466 --> 00:30:21.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% screen reader on the Mac, you might have slightly 00:30:21.866 --> 00:30:26.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% different tasks then if you wanted to include those. 00:30:27.033 --> 00:30:30.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% The rule documents this kind of information for you. 00:30:30.866 --> 00:30:39.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% That freedom is available within the rule. 00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:39.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Thank you. 00:30:39.866 --> 00:30:41.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% Kasper, I think this one is for you. 00:30:41.866 --> 00:30:46.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:75% So, do ACT Rules only cover accessibility tests that 00:30:46.133 --> 00:30:49.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% can be semi-automated or fully automated? 00:30:49.466 --> 00:30:54.099 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% Or are there also rules that clarify rather 00:30:54.166 --> 00:30:58.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% subjective WCAG criteria like 2.4.6, adding the 00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:01.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% label that needs to be manually evaluated? 00:31:03.733 --> 00:31:05.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% >> KASPER ISAGER: You know, I can definitely 00:31:05.066 --> 00:31:05.900 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:65% provide an answer to that. 00:31:05.966 --> 00:31:09.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% And the answer is yes, we also have affordances 00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:10.766 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:43% for manual rules. 00:31:10.833 --> 00:31:15.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% I also mentioned we did set out to implement 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:19.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% fifteen fully manual rules, so rules that could 00:31:19.299 --> 00:31:22.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% not reasonably be implemented in automated 00:31:22.466 --> 00:31:25.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% tools but could be implemented as part of 00:31:25.099 --> 00:31:27.233 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:65% manual test methodologies. 00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:30.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% I would say, the manual rules are slightly more 00:31:30.666 --> 00:31:33.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% difficult in the sense that you still have to 00:31:33.766 --> 00:31:36.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% follow the ACT Rules from it, of course. 00:31:36.466 --> 00:31:39.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% And the ACT Rules from it are fairly strict on what 00:31:39.766 --> 00:31:42.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% kind of rules you all have to write. 00:31:42.066 --> 00:31:45.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% One of the big things is that the applicability 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:48.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% section of the rules for the description of what 00:31:48.533 --> 00:31:51.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% kinds of content the rule applies to has to be both 00:31:51.866 --> 00:31:54.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% completely unambiguous and objective. 00:31:54.666 --> 00:31:57.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% And for some of the success criteria, the 00:31:57.700 --> 00:32:01.900 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% objectiveness criteria is really difficult to 00:32:01.966 --> 00:32:04.233 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:50% meet, it has proved. 00:32:04.299 --> 00:32:09.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% So, yes, you can author manual rules using the 00:32:09.700 --> 00:32:11.066 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:43% ACT Rules format. 00:32:11.133 --> 00:32:13.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% But it may be slightly more difficult that you 00:32:13.466 --> 00:32:15.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% still have to remain objective in the 00:32:15.333 --> 00:32:18.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% applicability section of the rule and that's 00:32:18.266 --> 00:32:21.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% difficult to do with some of the more, I would say, 00:32:21.533 --> 00:32:23.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:43% subjective WCAG success criteria. 00:32:28.333 --> 00:32:29.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Right, but that's - I 00:32:29.666 --> 00:32:31.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% think an important - thank you, Kasper. 00:32:31.333 --> 00:32:33.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% I think that's an important question because 00:32:33.299 --> 00:32:35.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% it also came up in the questions that people 00:32:35.533 --> 00:32:37.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% asked in the registration form. 00:32:37.533 --> 00:32:41.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% I think a lot of people think about when they hear 00:32:41.266 --> 00:32:44.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% rules, they automatically think of automated tools 00:32:44.466 --> 00:32:46.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% only and I think here it's really important to 00:32:46.866 --> 00:32:50.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:75% emphasize that these apply to both manual and not - 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.200 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% in fact, actually, we have several rules that we 00:32:53.266 --> 00:32:56.299 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% created as part of the project that relate to 00:32:56.366 --> 00:32:59.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% that specific success criteria on headings and 00:32:59.666 --> 00:33:02.299 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:63% we have others on labels. 00:33:05.866 --> 00:33:10.900 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% So, yes - it is done and we also have manual 00:33:10.966 --> 00:33:18.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% methodology developers who have been implementing these 00:33:18.433 --> 00:33:21.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% rules in their methodology, comparing their methodology. 00:33:21.333 --> 00:33:24.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% Speaking of, this is a question that also came up 00:33:24.633 --> 00:33:27.599 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:63% in the registration form. 00:33:27.666 --> 00:33:29.799 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:40% Carlos, maybe this is for you. 00:33:29.866 --> 00:33:34.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% So, somebody wants to create an implementation 00:33:34.666 --> 00:33:38.700 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% report for their tool or for their methodology. 00:33:38.766 --> 00:33:39.666 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:50% How do they do that? 00:33:39.733 --> 00:33:41.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% Can you first explain what an implementation report 00:33:41.933 --> 00:33:44.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% is and then how they actually do that, how they 00:33:44.833 --> 00:33:46.366 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:63% provide such information? 00:33:46.433 --> 00:33:50.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:43% >> CARLOS DUARTE: Yeah, sure. 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:53.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% So, perhaps I need to start by providing a bit 00:33:53.500 --> 00:33:58.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% of context on what's inside an ACT Rule and specifically 00:33:58.299 --> 00:34:02.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% an ACT Rule besides having an applicability and 00:34:02.133 --> 00:34:05.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% expectation as a set of examples. 00:34:05.333 --> 00:34:11.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% Some of them are examples of elements, documents, 00:34:11.699 --> 00:34:16.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:78% pages that meet the criteria and so pass the rules. 00:34:16.500 --> 00:34:20.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% Some of them are failed examples and some of them 00:34:20.333 --> 00:34:23.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% are examples of pieces of code that are inapplicable 00:34:23.566 --> 00:34:25.233 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:35% for that rule. 00:34:25.300 --> 00:34:29.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% So, what we expect to have in an implementation 00:34:29.633 --> 00:34:34.666 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% report is how well does your implementation fair 00:34:34.733 --> 00:34:36.199 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:58% against those examples? 00:34:36.266 --> 00:34:39.900 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% So, does it pass the test examples? 00:34:39.966 --> 00:34:42.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:40% Does it fail the failed examples? 00:34:42.533 --> 00:34:46.800 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% And does it not consider the inapplicable examples 00:34:46.866 --> 00:34:48.566 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:38% of such a rule? 00:34:48.633 --> 00:34:51.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% So, an implementation report is basically a 00:34:51.566 --> 00:34:57.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% report of the outcomes of your implementation for the 00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:03.333 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% different test cases that are described in an ACT Rule. 00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:07.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% How can you submit one and how can you prepare one? 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:14.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% Well, we expect your reports to be provided using EARL. 00:35:14.699 --> 00:35:20.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:80% The Evaluation And Report Language, serialized in JSON-LD. 00:35:20.133 --> 00:35:23.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% So, if you do provide us that, we can import that 00:35:23.333 --> 00:35:28.199 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% into our website and display it together with 00:35:28.266 --> 00:35:33.333 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% the current displayed implementation reports. 00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:37.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% We have a section on the website, so if you go 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:41.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% online to the website, there's a section dedicated 00:35:41.333 --> 00:35:43.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% specifically to implementations and there 00:35:43.233 --> 00:35:44.699 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% are instructions there on how you can 00:35:44.766 --> 00:35:48.800 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:63% submit an implementation. 00:35:48.866 --> 00:35:53.099 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% And we have some tools that you can use to help 00:35:53.166 --> 00:35:56.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% you prepare an implementation report. 00:35:56.233 --> 00:35:59.800 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% We have all the test cases for all the rules accessible. 00:35:59.866 --> 00:36:04.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% So, it can help you prepare for implementation. 00:36:04.900 --> 00:36:07.699 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% If you have some problems setting up an 00:36:07.766 --> 00:36:10.699 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% infrastructure for preparing implementation, 00:36:10.766 --> 00:36:14.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% do reach out to us and we should be able to assist 00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:17.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:40% you in that, in your project. 00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:22.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Thank you, Carlos. 00:36:22.466 --> 00:36:26.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% While I have you on the line, we're kind of 00:36:26.133 --> 00:36:27.099 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:50% running out of time. 00:36:27.166 --> 00:36:28.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% There are more questions coming so we might need to 00:36:28.933 --> 00:36:32.666 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% push some of these towards the end of the 00:36:32.733 --> 00:36:35.500 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:50% day just to move on. 00:36:35.566 --> 00:36:38.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% But I think, maybe briefly, Carlos, this one 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:43.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% it says, can you give a concrete example of the 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:49.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% rule on should we have alt text in an image if the 00:36:49.633 --> 00:36:53.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% text that is next to the image is the same? 00:36:53.133 --> 00:36:55.699 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% I think it would help to understand how you 00:36:55.766 --> 00:36:56.933 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:58% choose a specific rule. 00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:01.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% I think here, if you can explain the test cases in 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:06.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% the context here that are part of the rules to help 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.300 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% you understand what the rule actually refers to. 00:37:13.733 --> 00:37:19.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% >> CARLOS DUARTE: Wilco you seem to have the rules 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:21.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:35% in your head better than I. 00:37:21.633 --> 00:37:24.900 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% Which - this is definitely coming from the example 00:37:24.966 --> 00:37:26.800 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% that you gave in your presentation. 00:37:26.866 --> 00:37:29.633 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:48% Can you point me -? 00:37:29.699 --> 00:37:30.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Sorry, we don't actually 00:37:31.033 --> 00:37:31.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:40% have the time to go into this. 00:37:31.900 --> 00:37:33.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:43% >> CARLOS DUARTE: Okay. 00:37:33.066 --> 00:37:34.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:75% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: We could come back to this later. 00:37:34.633 --> 00:37:36.699 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:65% So maybe let me summarize. 00:37:36.766 --> 00:37:42.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% So, the point is that this rule, there would be a 00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:46.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% rule that is talking about, let's say text 00:37:46.433 --> 00:37:50.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% alternatives for images and these will consider 00:37:50.133 --> 00:37:53.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% different techniques and the examples, the test 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:57.666 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% cases in the rule would have an example when what 00:37:57.733 --> 00:38:01.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:75% happens if there is a description next to the image. 00:38:01.099 --> 00:38:04.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% What in that case, what the alt text should be? 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% So, if we were to write the rule for a good alt 00:38:07.533 --> 00:38:12.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% text, so the rule that we have right now only checks 00:38:12.933 --> 00:38:16.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% for alt text whether it exists or not. 00:38:16.466 --> 00:38:18.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% And if we would have a rule that checks how good 00:38:18.699 --> 00:38:20.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% an alt text is, it would be - we would have tests 00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:25.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% cases where we would have different types of 00:38:25.133 --> 00:38:30.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% situations and so that people could compare test 00:38:30.233 --> 00:38:31.766 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:48% cases towards that. 00:38:31.833 --> 00:38:34.300 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% Again, we could come back to this later on. 00:38:34.366 --> 00:38:38.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% We are kind of running out of time but one of the 00:38:38.933 --> 00:38:47.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% things that was asked is, do rules cover all 00:38:47.933 --> 00:38:49.000 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:60% of the success criteria? 00:38:49.066 --> 00:38:54.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% Or will the work continue to cover everything? 00:38:57.533 --> 00:38:59.800 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:35% Who wants to take that one? 00:38:59.866 --> 00:39:01.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:38% >> WILCO FIERS: I'll go. 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:05.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% So, we haven't completed all the success criteria. 00:39:05.699 --> 00:39:10.900 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% I don't know if we ever will fully complete 00:39:10.966 --> 00:39:12.900 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:48% everything but we certainly intend to 00:39:12.966 --> 00:39:16.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% continue to go on with this work. 00:39:16.533 --> 00:39:20.300 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% WAI-Tools Project is over but the ACT work is not. 00:39:20.366 --> 00:39:24.333 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% This is going to be, you know, ongoing projects to 00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:26.099 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% continue to extend the coverage. 00:39:26.166 --> 00:39:32.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% Some of the things not currently done is so - our 00:39:32.333 --> 00:39:37.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% main focus has been on HTML where it sees it as an SVG. 00:39:37.933 --> 00:39:41.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% There are definitely still gaps in those, 00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% specifically the things that are difficult to 00:39:44.333 --> 00:39:46.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% automate, but beyond that, there are other 00:39:46.500 --> 00:39:48.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:43% technologies to consider as well. 00:39:48.300 --> 00:39:51.333 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% There are currently no rules for PDF for example. 00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:53.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% That is certainly a thing that I would love 00:39:53.333 --> 00:39:55.266 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:45% to see us develop. 00:39:55.333 --> 00:39:59.900 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% So, there's definitely more work and it is also 00:39:59.966 --> 00:40:03.733 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% good to mention that this is an ongoing process. 00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:07.699 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% As technology develops, as the HTML standard 00:40:07.766 --> 00:40:11.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% develops, as assistive technologies develop, 00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:14.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% these rules will continually get updated. 00:40:14.566 --> 00:40:17.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% So, unlike WCAG, these rules are an ongoing thing 00:40:17.699 --> 00:40:21.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% that need to be maintained so this work is never going 00:40:21.333 --> 00:40:23.166 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% to end and I'm going to continue doing this 00:40:23.233 --> 00:40:28.166 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:48% until I retire, so. 00:40:28.233 --> 00:40:29.800 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Yeah, I like to use the 00:40:29.866 --> 00:40:33.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% metaphor of snowballs, especially now in winter for 00:40:33.666 --> 00:40:37.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% many of us, so snowballing, and I think this project 00:40:37.066 --> 00:40:40.300 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% started the snowball with seventy rules and now it's 00:40:40.366 --> 00:40:43.199 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:75% really, as Carlos was saying, now it's up to you the 00:40:43.266 --> 00:40:46.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:48% community to help continue that. 00:40:46.500 --> 00:40:48.699 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% Speaking of, Wilco, while I have you on the 00:40:48.766 --> 00:40:50.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:48% line, there was a question for you. 00:40:50.433 --> 00:40:52.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:43% This might be a misunderstanding. 00:40:52.900 --> 00:40:57.199 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% Can you talk about how authoritative the ACT 00:40:57.266 --> 00:41:00.699 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% Rules are versus the WCAG success criteria? 00:41:00.766 --> 00:41:03.800 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% What is the normative part and what is informative? 00:41:03.866 --> 00:41:05.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% >> WILCO FIERS: That's a fantastic question. 00:41:06.033 --> 00:41:11.699 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% So, the WCAG success criteria are published by 00:41:11.766 --> 00:41:14.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:38% the W3C as a Recommendation. 00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% They've gone through an extensive process of 00:41:17.666 --> 00:41:21.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% public reviews by the W3C and they are 00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% an internationally recognized standard. 00:41:24.099 --> 00:41:28.900 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% So, those are solid as anything. 00:41:28.966 --> 00:41:35.300 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% ACT Rules are written by smaller groups. 00:41:35.366 --> 00:41:41.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% They go through a less involved process of review 00:41:41.433 --> 00:41:47.500 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% and they get published still by the W3C but not 00:41:47.566 --> 00:41:49.366 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:60% by the whole of the W3C. 00:41:49.433 --> 00:41:55.099 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% There is no massive W3C-wide review but there 00:41:55.166 --> 00:41:58.033 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% is a review and an approval that comes from 00:41:58.099 --> 00:42:00.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% the Accessibility Guidelines Working Group 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:05.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:40% which are the authors of WCAG. 00:42:05.066 --> 00:42:09.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% So, you can see them as these are rules published 00:42:09.433 --> 00:42:13.300 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% by the authors of WCAG, whereas WCAG itself is 00:42:13.366 --> 00:42:16.333 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% published by the W3C as a standards organization 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:19.133 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:38% as a whole, so. 00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:20.866 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% >> SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Thanks. 00:42:20.933 --> 00:42:22.199 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% We call these - internally we call 00:42:22.266 --> 00:42:23.900 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:65% them supporting documents. 00:42:23.966 --> 00:42:27.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% These are the so-called Techniques documents, the 00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:30.099 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% Understanding documents - Understanding WCAG 2. 00:42:30.166 --> 00:42:32.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% So, with every success criteria, there is a 00:42:32.066 --> 00:42:35.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% document associated with it called Understanding 00:42:35.900 --> 00:42:40.666 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% Success Criteria XYZ that explains more background 00:42:40.733 --> 00:42:42.533 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:63% and would help and so on. 00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:44.566 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% Then there are several Techniques, how you can 00:42:44.633 --> 00:42:48.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% meet that requirement, and now we also have tests 00:42:48.433 --> 00:42:50.766 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:43% associated with success criteria. 00:42:50.833 --> 00:42:54.300 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% These supporting documents are informative, so they're 00:42:54.366 --> 00:42:57.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% not normative like the success criteria themselves. 00:42:57.300 --> 00:43:00.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% That is what you have to meet but these are all - 00:43:00.666 --> 00:43:03.366 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% all these supporting documents help you make 00:43:03.433 --> 00:43:05.433 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:45% sure that you meet the requirements. 00:43:05.500 --> 00:43:06.699 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:13% Good. 00:43:06.766 --> 00:43:08.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% I will take the liberty of answering two more 00:43:08.699 --> 00:43:10.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:48% questions and then we'll move on. 00:43:10.533 --> 00:43:14.066 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% One question was when will WCAG 2.2, when 00:43:14.133 --> 00:43:15.966 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:50% will it be released? 00:43:16.033 --> 00:43:18.266 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% That was a teaser from you, Carlos, because you 00:43:18.333 --> 00:43:19.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:38% mentioned that in your slides. 00:43:19.466 --> 00:43:23.333 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% Currently, it's planned for mid-2021, so mid this 00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:26.800 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% year we expect the new version of WCAG 2.2, and 00:43:26.866 --> 00:43:30.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:63% hopefully with as many test rules as possible as 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:32.599 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% part of the supporting documents. 00:43:32.666 --> 00:43:35.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% And then there was another really good question. 00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:38.966 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% When can we expect - can we expect the WCAG 3 00:43:39.033 --> 00:43:43.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% guidelines to follow the same approach as ACT Rules 00:43:43.300 --> 00:43:46.133 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:68% so WCAG 3 success criteria can be tested more 00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:49.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% objectively with automation where relevant? 00:43:49.533 --> 00:43:52.233 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% This is a really good question because just this 00:43:52.300 --> 00:43:55.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:60% - just last week on Thursday, fresh, hot off 00:43:56.000 --> 00:44:01.466 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% the press, we, the W3C, published the first public 00:44:01.533 --> 00:44:04.133 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:45% draft of WCAG 3.0. 00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.400 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% This is still a very, very early draft and we 00:44:07.466 --> 00:44:08.500 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:63% would love your comments. 00:44:08.566 --> 00:44:11.699 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% We, of course, want to make WCAG 3.0 more 00:44:11.766 --> 00:44:15.699 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:58% testable and so we want to look at as much 00:44:15.766 --> 00:44:18.833 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:55% approaches, as much carry-over as possible 00:44:18.900 --> 00:44:20.000 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:43% of the ACT Rules. 00:44:20.066 --> 00:44:25.000 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:73% At the same time, WCAG 3 has a very new conformance model. 00:44:25.066 --> 00:44:28.933 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:50% So, they are looking at different ways of 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:33.633 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:70% evaluating, so not just binary but maybe on a scale. 00:44:33.699 --> 00:44:36.533 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% This is maybe a topic for another webinar about WCAG 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:41.666 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:65% 3.0 but the thing is, yes, we are working closely to 00:44:41.733 --> 00:44:44.333 align:middle line:79% position:50% size:53% try to get - improve the testing in future 00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:45.733 align:middle line:85% position:50% size:43% versions of WCAG.