WAI User Agent Guidelines teleconf
16 December 1998

Chair: Jon Gunderson
Scribe: Ian Jacobs

Present:
  Richard Premack (Internext)
  Kathy Hewitt
  Scott Leubking
  Charles McCathieNeville

1) Media types
 http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/media.html#media-types

 IJ: We're missing a definition of "tty" (which, in
      CSS, is defined as a list of properties, not an
      informative description of the target medium).

 CMN: I'm more comfortable with a general formulation.
      Wants to move 1.1 of techniques document into
      guidelines document.

 IJ: I agree. But English language descriptions won't work.
     Definitions in English will be incomplete, imprecise,
     and soon out-of-date.

 RP: Wouldn't it be difficult to come up with a universally
     acceptable set of properties for UAs? Wouldn't that
     be dependent on the content being accessed?

 CMN: I suggest that we specifically not define media
      types.

 JG: Can't do that if we use media types as part of conformance.


 CMN: We need to us a general formulation of the applicability
      of techniques. If we make too explicit, removes the possibility
      of a common sense approach to gauging conformance.

 IJ: I propose:
  1) WG chooses N subgroups of techniques and gives
     each one a media type (call themUA type name)
  2) A UA can conform to any of those UA types. It's just
     a list (with informative text describing the intended meaning
     of the UA type).

 CMN: I hate the proposal. How to deal with "haptic" devices
     or other specialized devices? Are we going to define
     every possible device?

 JG: No, let's define what's useful today and the guidelines
     will evolve as technologies evolve.

 RP: Is there a certification process?

 IJ: Not at W3C.

 IJ: Add last case (for other conformance) that is the current
     text of 1.1 in the techniques document. This weakens the
     spec if we allow people to use the "default" case.

 Action Ian: Send an initial proposal to the WG today.

2) NOTE: Next teleconference is 6 January 1999.
 
3) How to resolve issues from the issues list?

   See Jon's proposal:
    http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/1998/12/wai-ua-f2f-19981211.html#action-telecons

  JG: Max number of techniques per week approx 10.

  SL: What happens when people don't show up?

  JG: Participation possible on the list.

  IJ: People are expected to attend teleconfs. They
      can always participate by email, but if they
      miss a call, they miss the call.

  SL: Please clarify this process on the email list.

  IJ: Why "max"?

  KH: Because it's a volunteer operation. The problem
      is the amount of email.

  KH: I don't want "resolution on 10" if that means 
      clear consensus on 4 issues and pushing the other
      six to meet a target.