Chatlog 2009-05-13

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13:40:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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13:40:25 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:40:25 <trackbot> Date: 13 May 2009
13:40:33 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009May/0013.html
13:40:39 <Roland> Chair: Roland
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13:45:39 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
13:45:39 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
13:45:41 <Zakim> +Steven
13:47:19 <Steven> Regrets: Alessio, Markus
13:47:57 <Zakim> +ShaneM
13:51:09 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
13:55:29 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
13:55:33 <Steven> Topic: RDFa
13:55:49 <Steven> Steven: Google has announced support for RDFa
13:56:25 <Tina2> I'm having a hard time getting through on the phone :(
14:02:36 <Steven> ... I have created a tutorial, I'd be happy for input
14:02:37 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/rdfa-for-html-authors#Further
14:03:45 <Steven> Roland: We need some more examples of Vocabularies
14:04:05 <Steven> Steven: I agree, though at the end you'll see links to example vocabularies
14:04:25 <Steven> Roland: What about goe?
14:04:30 <Steven> s/goe/geo/
14:04:44 <Steven> Steven: It's a subpart of a couple of them; I could point that out
14:05:03 <Steven> Roland: I think it's a good use case
14:05:58 <Steven> Steven: I agree on the nedd for more examples, and I will be adding them
14:06:04 <Steven> s/nedd/need/
14:06:36 <Steven> Gregory: What I need to do is to support the use of RDFa for accessibility
14:06:46 <Steven> ... maybe this should be an appendix
14:07:10 <Steven> s/support/proselytize/
14:07:35 <Steven> Roland: The best way is to use it in an exemplary manner, and point to the pages
14:08:04 <Steven> Steven: The W3C teeam has a big discussion on this tomorrow, plus a blog entry
14:08:27 <Steven> Gregory: I would like to a DTD for XHTML 1.1+RDFa+Aria
14:08:33 <Steven> ... +role
14:08:45 <Steven> Shane: We do have that already
14:09:20 <Steven> ... if you set your doctype to use it though, some UAs don't recognise it properly as XHTML
14:09:27 <Steven> ... in particular entities don't work
14:09:53 <Steven> ... However, we do have it
14:10:18 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to send pointer to DTD of 1.1+RDFa+Aria+role
14:10:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-82 - Send pointer to DTD of 1.1+RDFa+Aria+role [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-05-20].
14:10:20 <ShaneM> (and it is called XHTML 1.2)
14:11:36 <Steven> Gregory: Accessibility UAs at the moment only key off of @lang, but I'm hoping we can deprecate that in the long run.
14:11:51 <Steven> ... in favour of xml:lang
14:12:20 <Steven> Steven: The newest DTDs support both, so the freedom is there to allow that to happen
14:13:22 <Steven> Gregory: I note that the current validator supports RDFa, and I have been using it
14:13:41 <Steven> ... nice that it has its own icon for RDFa
14:13:49 <Steven> ... good for raising awareness
14:14:08 <Steven> Shane: I am already adding the Google stuff to our website
14:14:17 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:14:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
14:16:44 <Steven> Shane: RDFa in HTML is the next step
14:16:57 <Steven> Steven: Not in our charter, so we have to negotiate that
14:17:30 <Steven> Gregory: Sam Ruby has an action item to get together with Steven and Roland to talk about convergence
14:18:14 <Steven> ... WHATWG HTML5 people seems to be allergic to "invisible" metadata.
14:18:21 <Steven> s/seems/seem/
14:18:39 <Steven> ... I have been trying to defend @summary for instance
14:18:59 <Steven> ... it is not evil, or championing a particular group of people
14:20:55 <Steven> ... WAI PF will need a new co-chair soon
14:21:20 <Steven> ... we need @role in HTML5
14:26:35 <Steven> ... though we are still battling to keep the things in HTML5 that were added to HTML4 for accessibility
14:26:58 <Steven> ... I am personally not being taken seriously by all the of the HTML5 WG
14:26:59 <Steven> Topic: Ongoing Work
14:27:20 <Steven> Shane: We need to take access to last call again now
14:27:32 <Steven> ... and CURIES need to progress.
14:27:43 <Steven> ... Those are our top two tasks
14:28:33 <Steven> Gregory: We said that May 29th was the deadline for end of last call of access
14:28:43 <Steven> Steven: I'm afraid I didn't get it out in time
14:31:05 <Steven> Gregory: I am maintaining a wiki for each module
14:32:14 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/XHTML2/i18n
14:32:35 <Steven> Gregory: You'll see links to resolutions and Issues
14:32:57 <Steven> Steven: Great stuff
14:33:19 <Steven> Shane: It is good to have areas around role and access in the XHTML2 area
14:33:47 <Steven> ... but we don't want to conflate them, they are independent of XHTML2
14:37:59 <Steven> Steven: I've been thinking about unbinding more of the modules, such as the hypertext module, maybe embedding too.
14:38:23 <Steven> ... I saw a blog declaiming href everywhere, and he had even implemented it in javascript
14:38:57 <Steven> Shane: There is substantial overhead to creating new documents
14:39:00 <Steven> Steven: True
14:39:27 <Steven> Gregory: I know the Backplane XG would be interested in the hypertext module
14:39:37 <Steven> s/know/think/
14:40:15 <Steven> Gregory: The object module would be great too
14:40:55 <Steven> ... HTML5 is replacing object with individual media elements, unfortunately
14:41:20 <Steven> Shane: I think Modularization 2 does much of this
14:41:35 <Steven> Roland: Depends on how self-contained the modules are
14:43:43 <Steven> Shane: I think we have that now. Each module is a free-standing thing
14:43:56 <Steven> Roland: If that is the case, then good.
14:44:05 <Steven> s/Roal/Rola/
14:44:15 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization2-20090123/mod-embedding.html#s_embeddingmodule
14:44:18 <Steven> Shane: There are side-effects when modules are used together
14:44:37 <Steven> ... but each module is still independent
14:45:36 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:45:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
14:45:56 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:48:45 <Steven> [Adjourn]
14:48:49 <Zakim> -Roland
14:48:51 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
14:48:52 <Zakim> -Steven
14:48:55 <Zakim> -ShaneM
14:48:56 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
14:48:57 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, Steven, ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmaita
14:49:02 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:49:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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