7010 2009-06-10 08:09:48 +0000 Making <applet> non-conforming may hinder royalty-free <video> adoption 2010-10-04 14:28:22 +0000 1 1 1 Unclassified HTML WG pre-LC1 HTML5 spec (editor: Ian Hickson) unspecified All All CLOSED INVALID P2 normal --- 1 hsivonen ian mike public-html-admin public-html-wg-issue-tracking public-html-bugzilla oldest_to_newest 25531 0 hsivonen 2009-06-10 08:09:48 +0000 http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2009/06/video-for-everybody-html-5-video.html#9069120310304449626 cites <applet> being non-conforming as a reason not to use Cortado as a fallback for <video>. If one wants to serve royalty-free Ogg video using <video> to Firefox 3.5, Chrome 3 and Safari 3.1 or later + XiphQT and still have a fallback for IE and Opera, it seems that it would be useful to be able to use a single no-JavaScript <applet> fallback for both IE and Opera without having a validator whine about it. If one only wants to have a Cortado fallback in IE assuming Opera ships <video> soon enough, one could use <object>, but according to Sun's documentation[1], that alternative required the classid attribute which is also non-conforming in HTML5. Please allow a conforming and easy-to-author way to fall back onto Cortado in desktop browsers that don't support <video>. After all, <video> has *designed* fallback mechanism. It's rather silly if using the mechanism is non-conforming. [1] http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/guides/plugin/developer_guide/using_tags.html 25532 1 ian 2009-06-10 09:11:10 +0000 http://damowmow.com/playground/demos/java/001.html 25533 2 hsivonen 2009-06-10 09:19:26 +0000 For interested parties, here's a demo that validates and works and doesn't have the extra stuff: http://hsivonen.iki.fi/test/moz/video-fallback-validation/object-type.html