3249 2006-05-09 10:56:44 +0000 Constants 2008-03-08 08:42:01 +0000 1 1 1 Unclassified XML Schema Datatypes: XSD Part 2 1.1 only PC Windows XP CLOSED FIXED cluster: terminology resolved P2 normal --- 1 mike cmsmcq www-xml-schema-comments oldest_to_newest 9661 0 mike 2006-05-09 10:56:44 +0000 QT approved comment In 3.3.4.1, the definition of "constant" needs tidying up. The link is to a definition of "enumerated constant", which doesn't make it clear whether there are any non-enumerated constants; moreover, the definition says that constants are undefined, which isn't helpful. Related to this, In 3.3.4.1, is the distinction between INF and positiveInfinity intended (similarly NaN and notANumber, etc)? 9665 1 mike 2006-05-09 11:10:06 +0000 Also on this topic: In 3.3.5.1, I thought "special values" were now called "constants". (I think I prefer "special values"). 9747 2 davep 2006-05-11 02:19:03 +0000 (In reply to comment #1) > In 3.3.5.1, I thought "special values" were now called "constants". (I think I > prefer "special values"). Generally, the values in the value space of float and double are ordinary numbers. There are five values that are, to most people's understanding, not ordinary numbers. (They might or might not consider the two zeros to be numbers, but probably not "ordinary".) Things in a value space are called "values"; these are values that are not "ordinary numbers". Yes, they are constants (as are a number of things that aren't members of value spaces). 15309 3 davep 2007-06-07 03:07:56 +0000 (In reply to comment #0) > In 3.3.4.1, the definition of "constant" needs tidying up. The link is to a > definition of "enumerated constant", which doesn't make it clear whether there > are any non-enumerated constants; moreover, the definition says that constants > are undefined, which isn't helpful. There are no other constants as we use the word. (We don't use the word 'constant' linguistically to describe nouns such as '1' or 'one' (as opposed to variables, whose value may be reassigned without changing the mathematical structure under discussion). Perhaps having the definition read "(enumerated) constant". We call them enumerated because the only ones we have are those that get enumerated somewhere in the spec (as opposed to somehow being described without being explicitly mentioned). We call them undefined because they carry no preordained meaning other than the use to which we put them in the spec. Shall we explain these terms? > Related to this, In 3.3.4.1, is the distinction between INF and > positiveInfinity intended (similarly NaN and notANumber, etc)? Yes. positiveInfinity (the constant) is the value; 'INF' is its lexical representation. Similarly, notANumber is the value; 'NaN' is its lexical representation. 15311 4 mike 2007-06-07 08:14:49 +0000 Thanks for the clarifications, but the real question is, how do you propose to change the spec so that people can understand it without looking at your explanations in bugzilla? 18631 5 cmsmcq 2008-01-30 14:27:33 +0000 A wording proposal which would resolve this issue (by changing most occurrances of 'constant' to 'special value' and providing a definition of 'special value' modeled on the current definition of 'constant', with revisions) has been prepared; it's at http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-2/datatypes.b3249.html (member-only link). 18893 6 cmsmcq 2008-02-08 18:51:45 +0000 At its call today, the XML Schema WG declined to adopt the proposal mentioned in comment 5, and requested that the editors try again. Accordingly, I'm changing the status keyword to needsDrafting, and raising the severity from minor (easy) to normal (work). 19370 7 cmsmcq 2008-03-08 00:55:09 +0000 At its call of today, the XML Schema WG accepted a revised wording proposal intended to resolve this issue. http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-2/datatypes.b3249.html (member-only link). Michael, since you were there and voted to approve the proposal, I assume you will be willing to take the resolution back to QT or to close the issue on their behalf, or to reopen it if there is pushback. Thanks.