28150 2015-03-06 05:58:36 +0000 state requirement for the <select> element more precisely/clearly 2015-08-28 06:50:58 +0000 1 1 1 Unclassified WHATWG HTML unspecified PC All RESOLVED WORKSFORME https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/16 P2 normal Unsorted 1 mike ian ian mike contributor oldest_to_newest 118381 0 mike 2015-03-06 05:58:36 +0000 https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/forms.html#the-select-element To state one of the spec requirements for the <select> element more clearly, I suggest revising it to say this: If a select element has a required attribute specified, does not have a multiple attribute specified, and *does not have a "sizes" attribute with a value greater than 1*, then the select element must have a placeholder label option. The current language in the spec says this: If a select element has a required attribute specified, does not have a multiple attribute specified, and *has a display size of 1*, then the select element must have a placeholder label option. But the thing is, if the multiple attribute isn't specified, the only way to control the "display size" is by explicitly specifying the "size" attribute. So for the case of stating this particular requirement, we might better dispense with indirectly stating it in terms of the abstract "display size" concept, and more precisely and clearly state it in terms of the concrete "size" attribute. 118395 1 ian 2015-03-06 17:12:00 +0000 That seems like an abstraction violation. What if one day we make something else change the display size? 120648 2 mike 2015-06-02 00:30:37 +0000 (In reply to Ian 'Hixie' Hickson from comment #1) > That seems like an abstraction violation. > > What if one day we make something else change the display size? OK, so let's either make it include the clarification inline: "If a select element has a required attribute specified, does not have a multiple attribute specified, and has a display size of 1 (that is, it does not have a "sizes" attribute with a value greater than 1), then the select element must have a placeholder label option." or make it a note that follows, like this: "If a select element has a required attribute specified, does not have a multiple attribute specified, and *has a display size of 1*, then the select element must have a placeholder label option. "Note: In practice, the requirement stated in the paragraph above can only apply when a select element does not have a "sizes" attribute with a value greater than 1 (since a select element can currently only have a display size of 1 if it does not have a "sizes" attribute with a value greater than 1)." That way if/when we do ever actually make something else change the display size, then we can remove that inline clarification or the note. 122812 3 mike 2015-08-28 04:32:02 +0000 I don't feel strongly about this to keep it open. I (or somebody) can re-raise it at github if we want to re-pursue it in the future. 122820 4 mike 2015-08-28 06:50:58 +0000 See https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/16