27626 2014-12-16 13:07:49 +0000 Specify Document.caretRangeFromPoint()? 2014-12-18 15:59:05 +0000 1 1 1 Unclassified CSS CSSOM View unspecified PC Linux NEW P2 normal --- 1 philipj zcorpan adrianba benjamp bzbarsky public-css-bugzilla oldest_to_newest 116377 0 philipj 2014-12-16 13:07:49 +0000 This is a WebKit invention, and still in Blink. Usage is high enough that removal isn't trivial, but could work out if deemed necessary: https://www.chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/387 The caretPositionFromPoint() in the spec seems to be a Gecko-only API. I'm not sure which of these can be implemented in terms of the other, or if having both makes any sense. 116378 1 zcorpan 2014-12-16 13:38:56 +0000 https://github.com/search?utf8=✓&q=caretrangefrompoint+NOT+shouldBe+NOT+test+NOT+expected&type=Code&ref=searchresults https://github.com/search?utf8=✓&q=caretpositionfrompoint+NOT+shouldBe+NOT+test+NOT+expected&type=Code&ref=searchresults It seems there are some uses that does not fall back to the other API, and I didn't see any obvious use that is browser sniffing (it could exist though). As far as I can tell they are redundant with each other, but possibly having both is slightly better for Web compat. 116418 2 philipj 2014-12-17 13:40:18 +0000 I've grepped the 20141115 httparchive data, finding 160 instances of caretPositionFromPoint and 219 instances of caretRangeFromPoint. There's some overlap, as these combined are only 220 unique resources. There is only one resource which has caretPositionFromPoint but not caretRangeFromPoint: http://www.elenasmodels.com/JavaScriptSpellCheck/include.js That's inside livespell.test.FireFox() :( There are 60 resources with caretRangeFromPoint but not caretPositionFromPoint. Because of a bug <https://github.com/HTTPArchive/httparchive/issues/41>, here are the top-level documents that requested those resources: http://diadiemanuong.com/ http://kroogi.com/explore?locale=en http://ldpr.ru/ http://loot.com/ http://loot.com/user/registration/ http://mmmos.com/ http://nashrenovin.ir/ http://oak.scout.com/forums http://paleohacks.com/ http://pfc-cska.com/ http://pressaboutus.com/ http://pubslush.com/ http://rakftz.com/ https://app.careerplug.com/user/sign_in https://edpuzzle.com/ https://fabrily.com/ http://sozi.vn/ https://topvisor.ru/ https://trueability.com/ https://www.crowdforangels.com/ https://www.healthtrioconnect.com/app/index.page? https://www.onewire.com/ https://www.realestate.com.ng/ https://www.reverbcity.com/ https://www.upinside.com.br/ https://www.wellnessliving.com/ http://www.1stopsocial.com/ http://www.adultfax.com/ http://www.appdata.com/ http://www.areamembri.it/login http://www.babyfrance.com/fr http://www.comicbook.com/ http://www.deepakchopra.it/ http://www.dnngo.net/ http://www.elfwood.com/ http://www.espguitars.com/ http://www.europeanvoice.com/ http://www.fanbacked.com/ http://www.flamengorj.com.br/ http://www.getsmarter.co.za/ http://www.gradesaver.com/ http://www.klagemauer.tv/ http://www.kla.tv/ http://www.kosmas.cz/ http://www.noomii.com/ http://www.opinionstage.com/ http://www.platfor.ma/ http://www.prnob.com/ http://www.runelocus.com/ http://www.siteprice.org/ http://www.sos-lettre.fr/ http://www.upshare.co/ http://www.valueinvestorsclub.com/ http://www.webforcepro.net/ http://www.whenathome.com/ http://www.womaninreallife.com/ http://www.worldpackers.com/ http://www.yigg.de/ Most of these seem to be TinyMCE, and a few CKEditor cases. I haven't investigated what functionality is missing without caretRangeFromPoint. 116419 3 philipj 2014-12-17 13:48:35 +0000 Here are the uses in TinyMCE and CKEditor: https://github.com/tinymce/tinymce/search?utf8=✓&q=caretRangeFromPoint https://github.com/ckeditor/ckeditor-dev/search?utf8=✓&q=caretRangeFromPoint 116470 4 zcorpan 2014-12-18 09:51:46 +0000 The page with only caretPositionFromPoint uses it after checking for "firefox" in navigator.userAgent, so it would start breaking in Firefox if it was removed, but it wouldn't break for Blink to support it. TinyMCE and CKEditor feature-check for caretRangeFromPoint before using it. They don't use any other "WebKit-specific" code in that code-path. So it wouldn't break for other browsers to support it. To me this suggests the best path forward is to support both. The main risk I think is that there are pages on the long tail that use other browser-specific APIs depending on whether caretRangeFromPoint or caretPositionFromPoint is supported, but it is encouraging that it appears to not be present in the httparchive data. 116473 5 philipj 2014-12-18 10:07:14 +0000 If caretPositionFromPoint() can be trivially expressed in terms of caretRangeFromPoint() that would be a good start. Some like use counter data from Firefox for caretPositionFromPoint() would also be very nice, since if it's a lot lower than the ~0.04% we're seeing for caretRangeFromPoint() them simply removing it seems like the fastest way to converge.