26951 2014-10-02 09:06:28 +0000 why do these examples of <html> lack the lang attribute? 2014-10-02 13:17:30 +0000 1 1 1 Unclassified HTML WG HTML5 spec unspecified Other other RESOLVED FIXED https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#structure-of-this-specification P3 normal --- 26942 1 faulkner.steve faulkner.steve contributor ian mike public-html-admin public-html-wg-issue-tracking zcorpan public-html-bugzilla oldest_to_newest 112561 0 faulkner.steve 2014-10-02 09:06:28 +0000 +++ This bug was initially created as a clone of Bug #26942 +++ Specification: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/introduction.html Multipage: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/#structure-of-this-specification Complete: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#structure-of-this-specification Referrer: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/ Comment: why do these examples of <html> lack the lang attribute? Posted from: 24.22.56.84 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/32.0 112562 1 faulkner.steve 2014-10-02 09:37:43 +0000 regardless of how many poeple do it, its best practice and useful for user agents such as AT that use the lang attribute to load the correct pronunciation dictionaries for a page. Thanks for calling this out, easily fixed. https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/fd501aa4b6167338bd994609e89d267fd2f1b422 grep of data from 2013 indicates that lang use is widespread https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlVP5_A996c5dENJVkl4ZngxS0ZTZHVvbHdQYWQ2Zmc&usp=sharing 112563 2 zcorpan 2014-10-02 10:07:10 +0000 It doesn't tell you how often lang is used correctly. lang="en" in particular is often used on non-English pages due to copy/paste from "best practice" examples... 112565 3 faulkner.steve 2014-10-02 10:12:03 +0000 (In reply to Simon Pieters from comment #2) > It doesn't tell you how often lang is used correctly. lang="en" in > particular is often used on non-English pages due to copy/paste from "best > practice" examples... am in process of looking at data to check usage, will update add advice as appropriate 112574 4 faulkner.steve 2014-10-02 12:37:16 +0000 (In reply to Simon Pieters from comment #2) > It doesn't tell you how often lang is used correctly. lang="en" in > particular is often used on non-English pages due to copy/paste from "best > practice" examples... so i did some digging on the latest available data from webdevdata (around 100,00 pages) found that approx 1 in 3 pages (33,000) had at least one lang attribute . I manually perused the code of approx 100 of those looking for how it was used. I found that approx 95%+ the lang attribute correctly reflected the language of the page. 112575 5 zcorpan 2014-10-02 12:42:02 +0000 How many of those were non-English content? 112576 6 faulkner.steve 2014-10-02 12:42:44 +0000 (In reply to Simon Pieters from comment #5) > How many of those were non-English content? approx a 3rd 112578 7 zcorpan 2014-10-02 12:58:45 +0000 So on github... https://github.com/search?l=html&q=%28búsqueda+OR+nombre+OR+contraseña%29&ref=searchresults&type=Code&utf8=✓ 4,341,523 Spanish HTML pages with <html lang...> https://github.com/search?l=html&q="html+lang+en"+%28búsqueda+OR+nombre+OR+contraseña%29&ref=searchresults&type=Code&utf8=✓ 4,142,691 of those (95%) specify <html lang=en> https://github.com/search?l=html&q="html+lang+es"+%28búsqueda+OR+nombre+OR+contraseña%29&ref=searchresults&type=Code&utf8=✓ 87,594 (2%) specify <html lang=es> 112579 8 zcorpan 2014-10-02 13:13:08 +0000 (In reply to Simon Pieters from comment #7) > So on github... > > https://github.com/ > search?l=html&q=%28búsqueda+OR+nombre+OR+contraseña%29&ref=searchresults&type > =Code&utf8=✓ Sorry, wrong link. https://github.com/search?l=html&q="html+lang"+%28búsqueda+OR+nombre+OR+contraseña%29&ref=searchresults&type=Code&utf8=✓ 112580 9 faulkner.steve 2014-10-02 13:17:30 +0000 (In reply to Simon Pieters from comment #7) > So on github... > > https://github.com/ > search?l=html&q=%28búsqueda+OR+nombre+OR+contraseña%29&ref=searchresults&type > =Code&utf8=✓ > > 4,341,523 Spanish HTML pages with <html lang...> > > https://github.com/ > search?l=html&q="html+lang+en"+%28búsqueda+OR+nombre+OR+contraseña%29&ref=sea > rchresults&type=Code&utf8=✓ > > 4,142,691 of those (95%) specify <html lang=en> > > https://github.com/ > search?l=html&q="html+lang+es"+%28búsqueda+OR+nombre+OR+contraseña%29&ref=sea > rchresults&type=Code&utf8=✓ > > 87,594 (2%) specify <html lang=es> I am sure you can find all sorts of cruft on github, think its more worthwhile to look at published pages actually used by masses, rather than github files generally only used/viewed by the person who created them