26229 2014-06-28 10:41:54 +0000 role presentation on img element with alt="" in HTML5 spec VS WAI-ARIA in HTML document 2015-06-19 14:49:19 +0000 1 1 1 Unclassified HTML WG HTML5 spec unspecified PC All RESOLVED INVALID a11y P2 normal --- 1 aurelien.levy faulkner.steve chaals faulkner.steve lwatson mike public-html-admin public-html-wg-issue-tracking surkov.alexander public-html-bugzilla oldest_to_newest 108455 0 aurelien.levy 2014-06-28 10:41:54 +0000 The current version of the HTML5 spec on the img element here http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content.html#the-img-element state : Allowed ARIA role attribute values: presentation role only, for an img element whose alt attribute's value is empty (alt=""), otherwise any role value. The using WAI-ARIA in HTML, state in the recommendation table : img with alt="" | role=presentation | NO | NONE So if i follow the HTML5 I can use role="presentation" only if the img has an alt="", and if I follow the recommendation table I can't. One of the document must be changed at least. I propose to change the recomandation table to : img without alt | role="img" | NO | Role: Any, Any global aria-* attributes and any aria-* attributes applicable to the allowed roles img with alt="" | role="presentation" | NO | role=presentation img with alt="some text" | role="img" | NO | Role: Any, Any global aria-* attributes and any aria-* attributes applicable to the allowed roles Not role=presentation Otherwise the spec must change to something like : Allowed ARIA role attribute values: any role value except role presentation. (except if you want to allow it on img element with alt="some text" witch sound strange for me) 108480 1 aurelien.levy 2014-06-30 08:22:30 +0000 Depending on the choice, the 3.2.7.3 and 3.2.7.4 may need to be changed too. http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#wai-aria 108804 2 surkov.alexander 2014-07-08 19:33:14 +0000 isn't it dupe of bug 26149? 121233 3 chaals 2015-06-19 14:49:19 +0000 Aurelien, you've read the logic the wrong way. If you have alt="", the only role you are allowed is "presentation". If you have any other value of alt, you can use any role, including "presentation".