24678 2014-02-15 11:33:22 +0000 is this reflected by data? 2015-06-17 03:45:06 +0000 1 1 1 Unclassified HTML WG HTML5 spec unspecified PC Windows NT RESOLVED WONTFIX a11y P3 normal --- 1 faulkner.steve faulkner.steve faulkner.steve mike public-html-admin public-html-wg-issue-tracking xn--mlform-iua public-html-bugzilla oldest_to_newest 100675 0 faulkner.steve 2014-02-15 11:33:22 +0000 "The use of the border attribute with a value other than 0 Probably a non-layout table " http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/tabular-data.html#the-table-element 100694 1 xn--mlform-iua 2014-02-16 01:25:17 +0000 Does this bug also look for data to show that border="0" equals layout tables? After all, that is another claim that HTML5 makes. 100695 2 xn--mlform-iua 2014-02-16 01:57:25 +0000 Are AT data also relevent? For VoiceOver+Safari, by default border="1" does indeed cause it to treat the table as a ”data table”. CSS borders have the same effect. Could be - for instance - that Apple did base this on data. 101169 3 xn--mlform-iua 2014-02-21 22:54:25 +0000 James pointed[1] to the source code of Webkit’s layout table heuristics.[2] It does not have do anything special with table@border. All it does is that it looks for whether the table has borders, via CSS or via @border. (In both cases, borders are implemented via CSS anyway.) With the caveat that the borders thaat border=1 causes are not overruled via CSS, this means that we have data, from one user agent, to back up the spec’s claim that <table border="1"> indicates non-layout table. [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Feb/0063.html [2] http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Source/WebCore/accessibility/AccessibilityTable.cpp#L93 101201 4 xn--mlform-iua 2014-02-22 18:36:07 +0000 I suppose this is relevant: Firefox IsProbablyForLayout http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ident?i=IsProbablyForLayout 101342 5 xn--mlform-iua 2014-02-25 16:39:23 +0000 Steve, this bug seems to be of the same ”nature” - and in the same status - as bug 24679. While not terribly important, I think its status therefore ought to be ”RESOLVED NEEDSINFO”. 101375 6 xn--mlform-iua 2014-02-25 19:19:31 +0000 Link to Alex’ blog post about data table heuristics in Firefox: http://asurkov.blogspot.ca/2011/10/data-vs-layout-table.html Quote: ”Table having borders around cells is data table“ 121164 7 mike 2015-06-17 03:45:06 +0000 related to bug 24591 and bug 24679 but doesn't seem to be important enough to anybody to keep open any longer. Anybody who feels otherwise can of course re-open it.