23049 2013-08-23 10:53:16 +0000 New definition of <cite> is unclear on representing titles of works 2013-08-27 09:47:20 +0000 1 1 1 Unclassified HTML WG HTML5 spec unspecified PC Windows NT RESOLVED FIXED P2 normal --- 1 josh faulkner.steve faulkner.steve heydon mike public-html-admin public-html-wg-issue-tracking public-html-bugzilla oldest_to_newest 92501 0 josh 2013-08-23 10:53:16 +0000 In the previous definition of the cite element, it was clear that its use was intended for representing titles of works. For example: <p>I like to watch <cite>Doctor Who</cite>, because...</p> However, the definition of the element is now the following: "The cite element represents reference information about the source of quoted text." This makes it unclear whether the element can still be used as with the previous definition, where the element is used to show the title of something and does not have to be used near a quote. 92509 1 heydon 2013-08-23 11:58:09 +0000 (In reply to comment #0) > In the previous definition of the cite element, it was clear that its use > was intended for representing titles of works. For example: > > <p>I like to watch <cite>Doctor Who</cite>, because...</p> > > However, the definition of the element is now the following: > > "The cite element represents reference information about the source of > quoted text." > > This makes it unclear whether the element can still be used as with the > previous definition, where the element is used to show the title of > something and does not have to be used near a quote. My immediate reaction is that it should say "quoted content" not "quoted text". Perhaps even just "source of some content"... Or are citations just for text and not images, illustrations etc? Regarding the works/authors confusion, would the below be too clumsy? "The cite element represents reference information and the source of some content, be it the author of that content or a work by an author" 92631 2 faulkner.steve 2013-08-27 09:22:22 +0000 (In reply to comment #0) > In the previous definition of the cite element, it was clear that its use > was intended for representing titles of works. For example: > > <p>I like to watch <cite>Doctor Who</cite>, because...</p> > > However, the definition of the element is now the following: > > "The cite element represents reference information about the source of > quoted text." > > This makes it unclear whether the element can still be used as with the > previous definition, where the element is used to show the title of > something and does not have to be used near a quote. EDITOR'S RESPONSE: This is an Editor's Response to your comment. If you are satisfied with this response, please change the state of this bug to CLOSED. If you have additional information and would like the Editor to reconsider, please reopen this bug. If you would like to escalate the issue to the full HTML Working Group, please add the TrackerRequest keyword to this bug, and suggest title and text for the Tracker Issue; or you may create a Tracker Issue yourself, if you are able to do so. For more details, see this document: http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html Status: Accepted Change Description: made it clearer and added example (doctor who) please review http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/text-level-semantics.html#the-cite-element Rationale: agreed it was unclear and that the cite element should allow the use case. 92633 3 josh 2013-08-27 09:45:34 +0000 Thanks for changing it. The use of a note makes the definition much clearer. Just a small typo: in the new example, you're missing a closing bracket: <p>Who is your favorite doctor (in <cite>Doctor Who</cite>?</p> <p>Who is your favorite doctor (in <cite>Doctor Who</cite>)?</p> 92634 4 faulkner.steve 2013-08-27 09:47:20 +0000 (In reply to comment #3) > Thanks for changing it. The use of a note makes the definition much clearer. > > Just a small typo: in the new example, you're missing a closing bracket: > > <p>Who is your favorite doctor (in <cite>Doctor Who</cite>?</p> > <p>Who is your favorite doctor (in <cite>Doctor Who</cite>)?</p> thanks fixing!