18621 2012-08-19 08:15:40 +0000 4.10.7.3.12 The placeholder attribute The phrase "when the element's value is the empty string and/or the control is not focused" does not make sense with an the "and/or" option. The way Chrome has implemented this attribute is more appropriate. This wou 2013-03-27 23:20:23 +0000 1 1 1 Unclassified WHATWG HTML unspecified Other other RESOLVED NEEDSINFO http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#top P3 normal Unsorted 1 contributor ian ian mike sgkim126 simon contributor oldest_to_newest 72413 0 contributor 2012-08-19 08:15:40 +0000 Specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/single-page.html Multipage: http://www.whatwg.org/C#top Complete: http://www.whatwg.org/c#top Comment: 4.10.7.3.12 The placeholder attribute The phrase "when the element's value is the empty string and/or the control is not focused" does not make sense with an the "and/or" option. The way Chrome has implemented this attribute is more appropriate. This would result in the above phrase being changed to "when the element's value is the empty string". ie. display the placeholder until such time that data is entered into the input, regardless of focus. I also disagree with the statement that the placeholder should not be used as a replacement for a label. On small displays it could be particularly useful to use the space inside the control to display the label. Posted from: 58.96.126.172 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/21.0.1180.79 Safari/537.1 76760 1 ian 2012-10-19 21:24:21 +0000 1. Why does it not make sense? 2. placeholder="" can't be used as a replacement for label since it isn't visible when there's a value. That doesn't mean you must have a label; sometimes a form control is understandable even without a label. (The Google search UI has no label, for instance.) 82251 2 ian 2013-01-29 01:27:10 +0000 simon@proatomic.com.au: please see comment 1, it would really help me out if you could let me know what the problem was with #1 and whether you disagree with #2. Thanks!