17954 2012-07-18 07:22:56 +0000 Attribute to indicate that the grammar should be translated (e.g. apply declensions), but that the base of the words should remain in the original language 2016-03-16 18:03:38 +0000 1 1 1 Unclassified WHATWG HTML unspecified Other other RESOLVED WONTFIX http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#top P3 enhancement Needs Impl Interest 1 contributor ian annevk cmhjones ian mike robin contributor oldest_to_newest 70369 0 contributor 2012-07-18 07:22:56 +0000 This was was cloned from bug 17456 as part of operation convergence. Originally filed: 2012-06-09 23:44:00 +0000 ================================================================================ #0 contributor@whatwg.org 2012-06-09 23:44:07 +0000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/spec.html Multipage: http://www.whatwg.org/C#top Complete: http://www.whatwg.org/c#top Comment: Regarding Section "The translate attribute": If I am writing prose of fiction, and I write a name I don't want the translation mechanism to translate, then I understand I would set the attribute to "no" on that particular word. But. When I write (for example) in Polish, then a declension could be applied to the word. The problem is, I'd like to instruct the software that when a translation (for example) to English is applied, the software should not translate the word, but only change its grammatical form to match that of the target language. For example, I am using the word "realm" in the meaning of "space" AND "kingdom", so if it's translated, then the double meaning will be lost. Since the specification says that "no" means to "leave it unchanged", what I understand means to not apply any transformation at all to the text, I cannot possibly instruct the software to act the way I'd want it to. This could be solved by a new text-level element, since it only applies to a text, or a boolean attribute on the span element. I understand it's an obscure problem, though. Posted from: 2001:470:71:12d:211:5bff:fe35:9864 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/537.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/21.0.1145.0 Safari/537.1 ================================================================================ 74396 1 ian 2012-09-25 04:29:36 +0000 Can machine-translating software even make that distinction right now? I think the right solution here is to not do anything for now, but at some point introduce a new keyword on this attribute that means "just translate the grammar". So I'm going to mark this LATER for now and keep a note in the spec. 74397 2 contributor 2012-09-25 04:30:22 +0000 Checked in as WHATWG revision r7403. Check-in comment: Note for future features. http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=7402&to=7403 84153 3 ian 2013-03-09 00:13:11 +0000 I'm punting on this until a translation service implementor indicates that they would be capable of using this. 125544 4 annevk 2016-03-16 18:03:38 +0000 Resolving WONTFIX given the lack of such interest.