16600 2012-04-02 10:33:34 +0000 pre is stylistic (typografic) rather than semantic. it always has been. The use-cases should be rewritten so it becomes semantic (What is semantically wrong with using code in a p instead of a pre?) In fact, personally I do not think pre has any semantic 2012-07-26 23:34:22 +0000 1 1 1 Unclassified WHATWG HTML unspecified Other other RESOLVED NEEDSINFO http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-pre-element P3 normal Unsorted 1 contributor ian ian mike contributor oldest_to_newest 66331 0 contributor 2012-04-02 10:33:34 +0000 Specification: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/grouping-content.html Multipage: http://www.whatwg.org/C#the-pre-element Complete: http://www.whatwg.org/c#the-pre-element Comment: pre is stylistic (typografic) rather than semantic. it always has been. The use-cases should be rewritten so it becomes semantic (What is semantically wrong with using code in a p instead of a pre?) In fact, personally I do not think pre has any semantic value, so why keep it other than the fact it is used so often? Simply deprecate it. Browsers can still render it so it will remain backwards compatible? Posted from: 88.244.70.57 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/11.0 70683 1 contributor 2012-07-18 17:18:18 +0000 This bug was cloned to create bug 18107 as part of operation convergence. 71539 2 ian 2012-07-26 23:34:22 +0000 > pre is stylistic (typografic) rather than semantic. it always has been. That is indeed what the spec says. > The use-cases should be rewritten so it becomes semantic The use cases are what they are, we can't just change them arbitrarily. :-) > (What is semantically wrong with using code in a p instead of a pre?) Depends what you're marking up. If you're trying to mark up ASCII art, where the formatting matters, then using a <p> is probably not really sensible. > In fact, personally I do not > think pre has any semantic value, so why keep it other than the fact it is > used so often? It's needed for things like showing markup examples or code snippets, where space formatting is important. The spec itself uses it a zillion times, for example. I don't understand the problem here.