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    <bug>
          <bug_id>16481</bug_id>
          
          <creation_ts>2012-03-22 17:04:01 +0000</creation_ts>
          <short_desc>Establish a feature freeze - no adding of new features based on bug or editor&apos;s discretion, without prior WG approval</short_desc>
          <delta_ts>2012-04-24 04:49:02 +0000</delta_ts>
          <reporter_accessible>1</reporter_accessible>
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          <classification>Unclassified</classification>
          <product>HTML WG</product>
          <component>working group Decision Policy</component>
          <version>unspecified</version>
          <rep_platform>PC</rep_platform>
          <op_sys>Linux</op_sys>
          <bug_status>NEW</bug_status>
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          <everconfirmed>1</everconfirmed>
          <reporter name="Sam Ruby">rubys</reporter>
          <assigned_to name="Maciej Stachowiak">mjs</assigned_to>
          <cc>art.barstow</cc>
    
    <cc>eoconnor</cc>
    
    <cc>glenn</cc>
    
    <cc>julian.reschke</cc>
    
    <cc>mike</cc>
    
    <cc>mjs</cc>
    
    <cc>Paul.Cotton</cc>
    
    <cc>philipj</cc>
    
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    <commentid>65956</commentid>
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    <who name="Sam Ruby">rubys</who>
    <bug_when>2012-03-22 17:04:01 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>Outline of a proposal: once we reach that point, features can only be added to or removed from the specification with prior concurrence of the Working Group, in one of the following forms:

1) A Working Group Decision on a tracker issue, whether a contested decision by survey or a consensus decision on a sole provided Change Proposal.

2) A Call for Consensus of at least one week&apos;s duration (longer near or during holiday periods), citing a bug that requests the feature addition/removal and describes the change in reasonably clear terms. Such a Call for Consensus may be initiated by the Chairs, or by the Editor of the relevant specification. Any objection to such a CFC would require escalation to an issue.</thetext>
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    <commentid>66451</commentid>
    <comment_count>1</comment_count>
    <who name="Paul Cotton">Paul.Cotton</who>
    <bug_when>2012-04-05 18:21:07 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>(In reply to comment #0)
&gt; Outline of a proposal: once we reach that point, features can only be added to
&gt; or removed from the specification with prior concurrence of the Working Group,
&gt; in one of the following forms:
&gt; 1) A Working Group Decision on a tracker issue, whether a contested decision by
&gt; survey or a consensus decision on a sole provided Change Proposal.
&gt; 2) A Call for Consensus of at least one week&apos;s duration (longer near or during
&gt; holiday periods), citing a bug that requests the feature addition/removal and
&gt; describes the change in reasonably clear terms. Such a Call for Consensus may
&gt; be initiated by the Chairs, or by the Editor of the relevant specification. Any
&gt; objection to such a CFC would require escalation to an issue.

I would propose that &quot;the point&quot; be at the beginning of the next HTML5 Last Call (ie Last Call 2)
AND
I would propose that we modify the decision policy to use the proposed approval model in 2) for ALL Last Call 2 bugs.

/paulc</thetext>
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    <commentid>66540</commentid>
    <comment_count>2</comment_count>
    <who name="Maciej Stachowiak">mjs</who>
    <bug_when>2012-04-10 03:10:06 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>Let&apos;s keep this bug strictly about a feature-freeze against editor-driven or bug-driven changes. Other related suggestions are covered by:

bug 16674 - Feature discouragement in issue process - can use &quot;too late to add features&quot; as a technical argument in a counter-proposal

bug 16675 - Switch to a review-then-commit model for spec development</thetext>
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    <commentid>66543</commentid>
    <comment_count>3</comment_count>
      <attachid>1110</attachid>
    <who name="Maciej Stachowiak">mjs</who>
    <bug_when>2012-04-10 03:42:26 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>Created attachment 1110
Patch for feature freeze

The diff applies the suggested policy starting with Last Call (which means it would take effect right away), and leaves the old policy in place for pre-LC review.</thetext>
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    <commentid>66566</commentid>
    <comment_count>4</comment_count>
    <who name="Sam Ruby">rubys</who>
    <bug_when>2012-04-10 15:54:25 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>(In reply to comment #3)

&gt; Editors are free to simply reject feature requests rather than follow this process.

This sentence needs to be removed or reworded.

One way in which it can be read is the editors have the power to block features without providing any rationale or recourse.

The simplest fix is simply to remove this sentence.  What remains is a simple statement that there are two ways to get new features in: a WG Decision as a a result of an issue, or a WG Decision as a result of a Call for Consensus.

If it is felt that some form of this sentence needs to remain, the &quot;rather than follow this process&quot; part needs to be replaced with a description of the process that is to be followed.</thetext>
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    <commentid>66575</commentid>
    <comment_count>5</comment_count>
    <who name="Maciej Stachowiak">mjs</who>
    <bug_when>2012-04-10 17:49:13 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>Sam and I discussed this and we think a reasonable solution is to remove the second bullet.</thetext>
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    <commentid>66576</commentid>
    <comment_count>6</comment_count>
      <attachid>1115</attachid>
    <who name="Maciej Stachowiak">mjs</who>
    <bug_when>2012-04-10 17:59:53 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>Created attachment 1115
patch v2</thetext>
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    <commentid>66577</commentid>
    <comment_count>7</comment_count>
      <attachid>1116</attachid>
    <who name="Maciej Stachowiak">mjs</who>
    <bug_when>2012-04-10 18:03:24 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>Created attachment 1116
patch v3</thetext>
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