15588 2012-01-16 19:53:04 +0000 Define the "top of the document" in a semantic way. 2013-06-14 19:06:29 +0000 1 1 1 Unclassified WHATWG HTML unspecified Other other RESOLVED FIXED http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-indicated-part-of-the-document CSSOM P3 normal Unsorted 21621 1 contributor ian ian jackalmage kennyluck mike zcorpan contributor oldest_to_newest 62785 0 contributor 2012-01-16 19:53:04 +0000 Specification: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/history.html Multipage: http://www.whatwg.org/C#the-indicated-part-of-the-document Complete: http://www.whatwg.org/c#the-indicated-part-of-the-document Comment: Define the "top of the document" in a semantic way. Posted from: 114.43.115.138 by kennyluck@csail.mit.edu User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/9.0.1 62786 1 kennyluck 2012-01-16 20:03:51 +0000 For two cases: 1. Vertical writing (IE9 scrolls a document in vertical writing to the before side, WebKit always the top side.) 2. Screen readers I would hope we just remove #top though, if that doesn't break sites. 63791 2 ian 2012-02-07 00:28:10 +0000 #top is used by half the Web. I don't really understand what's unambiguous about "top of the document". Can you elaborate? 69286 3 kennyluck 2012-06-20 10:58:39 +0000 (In reply to comment #2) > #top is used by half the Web. > > I don't really understand what's unambiguous about "top of the document". Can > you elaborate? The non-interoperability as described in comment 1 (vertical writing). But if you feel like the best way to resolve this is to file a bug then feel free to WONTFIX this. Am I right that you assume IE9 is right and WebKit is wrong? I can't quite tell that from the prose but I assume the "before" side is more of a natural interpretation? 70955 4 contributor 2012-07-18 17:48:59 +0000 This bug was cloned to create bug 18244 as part of operation convergence. 74383 5 ian 2012-09-25 03:25:10 +0000 Do you have a testcase showing what you mean? I'm not really understanding the problem here. Vertical text isn't properly specced yet, is it? 74399 6 1187 kennyluck 2012-09-25 04:44:53 +0000 Created attachment 1187 #top and vertical writing 74400 7 kennyluck 2012-09-25 04:59:47 +0000 (In reply to comment #5) > Do you have a testcase showing what you mean? Here you go. (I have no idea why the attachment prompts for download...) > I'm not really understanding the problem here. In WebKit, if you click the link, the window scrolls to the physical top. In IE, it scrolls to the logical before-start side (beginning of the document). The spec seems to indicate WebKit is right, and I am just slightly opposed to that. For what it's worth, in Firefox and Opera, the window scrolls to the top-start, observing 'direction' (you need to tweak the attached test case a bit), which seems more "semantic" (beginning of the document). > Vertical text isn't properly specced yet, is it? I don't think that's relevant. It's just a matter of whether #top is semantic or not. 77340 8 ian 2012-10-29 22:21:07 +0000 Where you scroll to when scrolling to the top of the document is a CSSOM issue, I'd say. Not sure how to fix this. 82373 9 ian 2013-01-30 23:26:29 +0000 Right now the spec relies on: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/cssom-view/#element-scrolling-members ...which says to use the top left. But it doesn't really handle the "top of the document" concept. 84941 10 ian 2013-03-25 19:33:59 +0000 zcorpan, this may be relevant to your new interests 88511 11 zcorpan 2013-05-31 12:37:39 +0000 (In reply to comment #1) > For two cases: > > 1. Vertical writing (IE9 scrolls a document in vertical writing to the > before side, WebKit always the top side.) Actually WebKit scrolls to the bottom if the attached test case is modified with <html dir=rtl>. It seems to not scroll in the other direction at all. I have specified that the appropriate corner be scrolled to. HTML needs to hook in to 'beginning of the document', though. https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/csswg/rev/6102bc601fb4 > 2. Screen readers I haven't specified anything for this. I'm not sure CSSOM View is the right place to define what to do. 89041 12 ian 2013-06-10 23:18:57 +0000 I'll hook into "beginning of the document". Thanks! 89042 13 zcorpan 2013-06-10 23:51:39 +0000 Currently the HTML spec invokes "scroll an element into view" with the "top of the document" which is bogus since that's not an element. Instead, for the #top case, invoke http://dev.w3.org/csswg/cssom-view/#scroll-to-the-beginning-of-the-document 89331 14 contributor 2013-06-14 19:06:29 +0000 Checked in as WHATWG revision r7979. 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