14646 2011-10-31 22:25:24 +0000 <track> Don't use one-letter settings. They are non-intuitive and hard to remember. It makes little sense to use a single letter for the setting but then a sensible string for the value. Please use "align" instead of "A", etc. 2012-07-18 18:40:40 +0000 1 1 1 Unclassified WHATWG HTML unspecified Other other RESOLVED FIXED http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#parsing-0 P3 critical Unsorted 14929 1 contributor ian eric.carlson fs ian mike philipj zcorpan contributor oldest_to_newest 59335 0 contributor 2011-10-31 22:25:24 +0000 Specification: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-video-element.html Multipage: http://www.whatwg.org/C#parsing-0 Complete: http://www.whatwg.org/c#parsing-0 Comment: <track> Don't use one-letter settings. They are non-intuitive and hard to remember. It makes little sense to use a single letter for the setting but then a sensible string for the value. Please use "align" instead of "A", etc. Posted from: 2001:4c28:a030:30:223:32ff:fec2:96fa by simonp@opera.com User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_8) AppleWebKit/535.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/16.0.912.15 Safari/535.7 59344 1 ian 2011-11-01 02:07:59 +0000 I don't understand your distinction between value and setting. Can you show an example of a few cues with the syntax you're suggesting? 59381 2 zcorpan 2011-11-01 08:57:55 +0000 00:30.000 --> 00:31.500 align:end size:50% <v Roger Bingham>When we e-mailed— 00:30.500 --> 00:32.500 align:start size:50% <v Neil deGrasse Tyson>Didn't we talk about enough in that conversation? 00:32.000 --> 00:35.500 align:end size:50% <v Roger Bingham>No! No no no no; 'cos 'cos obviously 'cos 00:32.500 --> 00:33.500 align:start size:50% <v Neil deGrasse Tyson>Laughs 59405 3 ian 2011-11-01 16:05:05 +0000 Wouldn't that be like having <paragraph>, <emphasis>, and <linebreak> instead of , , and ? I mean, I agree that for someone new to the language it's more approachable, but at the end of the day there's only a few of these and making them short has the distinct advantage of making it easier to type once you know what they are. Note that this is directly derived from similar things in SRT. 59437 4 zcorpan 2011-11-01 21:02:01 +0000 Not really. is very common in HTML. You use it all the time. Using settings in VTT is rare. In our SRT sample, most files don't have any settings. Moreover, SRT's settings are X1, X2, Y1, Y2, which are easier to memorize and understand what they do compared to VTT's D, L, T, S, A. I have to look up VTT's settings every time (listing them here was no exception, and after having done so I'm not sure which letter map to which setting without looking at the spec again), and I have been exposed to VTT more than the average VTT author we're trying to target. 59453 5 zcorpan 2011-11-01 22:07:34 +0000 (In reply to comment #4) > In our SRT sample, most files don't have any settings. grep -rh '.*[-][-]>.* [XY][12]:[0-9]' . 57,523 lines. (There are about 52,000,000 lines that contain -->.) 59475 6 philipj 2011-11-02 10:07:20 +0000 I have to agree with Simon. I'm trying to figure out how some settings interact now and I have to look at the spec to figure out which letter to use, they're just not mnemonic enough for me. 59526 7 ian 2011-11-02 20:50:30 +0000 Fair enough. D: will become vertical: and the values will be changed to lr and rl L: will become line: T: will become position: S: will become size: A: will become align: 63354 8 contributor 2012-01-30 20:48:55 +0000 Checked in as WHATWG revision r6934. Check-in comment: Change the settings to be less tersely named. http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6933&to=6934