11614 2010-12-29 08:18:46 +0000 AAC and MP4 are ABSOLUTELY not acceptable for the open web. I don't care how many strings Apple are pulling - keep your patented encumbered trash - we don't want it. 2011-08-04 05:16:33 +0000 1 1 1 Unclassified HTML WG LC1 HTML5 spec unspecified Other other RESOLVED NEEDSINFO http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-source-element P3 normal --- 1 contributor ian ayg ian mike mounir olivier.gendrin philipj public-html-admin public-html-wg-issue-tracking public-html-bugzilla oldest_to_newest 43606 0 contributor 2010-12-29 08:18:46 +0000 Specification: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/video.html Section: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-source-element Comment: AAC and MP4 are ABSOLUTELY not acceptable for the open web. I don't care how many strings Apple are pulling - keep your patented encumbered trash - we don't want it. Posted from: 119.31.80.139 43626 1 olivier.gendrin 2010-12-29 08:54:07 +0000 I think JPEG and GIF have patents too. Should we get rid of them too ? 43649 2 ayg 2010-12-29 20:00:35 +0000 HTML5 does not require or encourage browsers to support AAC, MP4, or any other format. What change do you want made to the specification? Note that changing the spec to prohibit support of patent-encumbered formats would not actually make any browsers stop supporting them. Thus no such change is likely, because the spec's primary goal is to reflect reality. This is why the spec no longer requires Theora support. (In reply to comment #1) > I think JPEG and GIF have patents too. Should we get rid of them too ? GIF was finalized in 1989, so all its patents have necessarily expired. JPEG might theoretically have patents that apply to it, and some parties have tried to enforce patents on it (and failed AFAICT), but JPEG users do not typically pay royalties. The JPEG committee, like the W3C, operates on the principle that its standards should be usable royalty-free. Ogg, Theora, Vorbis, V8, Matroska, and WebM are all developed under similar principles. The MPEG group operates on the totally incompatible principle of "reasonable and non-discriminatory" patent fees, so AAC and MP4 are covered by a large number of known and aggressively enforced patents. Thus their patent situation is not really comparable at all. 45677 3 ian 2011-02-16 09:17:32 +0000 EDITOR'S RESPONSE: This is an Editor's Response to your comment. If you are satisfied with this response, please change the state of this bug to CLOSED. If you have additional information and would like the editor to reconsider, please reopen this bug. If you would like to escalate the issue to the full HTML Working Group, please add the TrackerRequest keyword to this bug, and suggest title and text for the tracker issue; or you may create a tracker issue yourself, if you are able to do so. For more details, see this document: http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html Status: Did Not Understand Request Change Description: no spec change Rationale: see comment 2. 53708 4 mike 2011-08-04 05:16:33 +0000 mass-move component to LC1