11224 2010-11-04 18:09:27 +0000 There is no way to save changes made to content tagged as contenteditable="true" other than with javascript (which makes it inaccessible) 2011-08-04 05:17:25 +0000 1 1 1 Unclassified HTML WG LC1 HTML5 spec unspecified All All RESOLVED NEEDSINFO P2 normal --- 1 laurent.goderre ian ayg ian laura.lee.carlson mike public-html-admin public-html-wg-issue-tracking public-html-bugzilla oldest_to_newest 42139 0 laurent.goderre 2010-11-04 18:09:27 +0000 The contenteditable attribute is a great idea and could lead to next generation rich text editor on the web but right now there is now way to do so without javascript. Ideally there would be a way to submit the content of a contenteditable with selection information. This would allow to create a rich text editor that works with javascript turn off. 42144 1 annevk 2010-11-04 22:19:53 +0000 This is like saying WAI-ARIA is inaccessible. 42188 2 laurent.goderre 2010-11-05 14:30:37 +0000 (In reply to comment #1) > This is like saying WAI-ARIA is inaccessible. WAI-ARIA provides a bit more accessibility to the previously problematic JavaScript. However, JavaScript use is the choice of the user and an application must provide functionality when JavaScript is turned off. 42189 3 annevk 2010-11-05 14:35:29 +0000 An application without programming language? That would be odd. 42190 4 laurent.goderre 2010-11-05 14:50:17 +0000 (In reply to comment #3) > An application without programming language? That would be odd. The programming language would be at server-side. 42193 5 annevk 2010-11-05 16:21:12 +0000 We moved on somewhat since '95. 42196 6 laurent.goderre 2010-11-05 16:52:55 +0000 (In reply to comment #5) > We moved on somewhat since '95. It's still the user's choice....just like users have the right to not want to use Adobe Flash Player when surfing the web. Not providing javascript-free alternative is against progressive enhancement 42197 7 annevk 2010-11-05 16:58:26 +0000 Proprietary plugins are somewhat different imo from things that are an intrinsic part of the platform. Anyway, I am out of here. 42200 8 laura.lee.carlson 2010-11-05 20:03:45 +0000 Reference: How Many Users Support JavaScript? By Adrian Roselli. "...there are still users without JavaScript support, for a variety of reasons, and they are a significant number of users. Neglecting them as you build web sites and applications is short-sighted and just bad practice. This has been true for over 15 years, so it's reasonable to expect it will be true for years to come." http://blog.adrianroselli.com/2010/11/how-many-users-support-javascript.html 43602 9 ian 2010-12-29 08:15:01 +0000 EDITOR'S RESPONSE: This is an Editor's Response to your comment. If you are satisfied with this response, please change the state of this bug to CLOSED. If you have additional information and would like the editor to reconsider, please reopen this bug. If you would like to escalate the issue to the full HTML Working Group, please add the TrackerRequest keyword to this bug, and suggest title and text for the tracker issue; or you may create a tracker issue yourself, if you are able to do so. For more details, see this document: http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html Status: Did Not Understand Request Change Description: no spec change Rationale: I don't understand. Could you elaborate? What is the problem that needs solving here? 53793 10 mike 2011-08-04 05:17:25 +0000 mass-move component to LC1