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15:40:35 <Andy> zakim, start meeting
15:40:35 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
15:40:36 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Andy
15:40:41 <Andy> meeting: RDF and SPARQL Working Group
15:41:11 <Andy> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e5234c80-4c06-4c6b-af43-c78a1dbd390a/20260910T120000/#agenda
15:41:11 <agendabot> clear agenda
15:41:11 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/08/27-rdf-star-minutes.html  -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2026/09/03-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:41:11 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
15:41:12 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open PRs, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
15:41:14 <agendabot> agenda+ Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5
15:41:16 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
15:42:03 <Andy> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/09/03-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:42:03 <Andy> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/09/17-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:42:03 <Andy> rrsagent, make logs public
15:42:18 <Andy> present+
15:42:21 <Andy> rrsagent, make logs public
15:42:22 <Andy> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:42:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/09/10-rdf-star-minutes.html Andy
15:42:31 <Andy> agenda?
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16:04:43 <pchampin> zakim, open item 1
16:04:43 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/08/27-rdf-star-minutes.html  -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2026/09/03-rdf-star-minutes.html --
16:04:46 <Zakim> ... taken up [from agendabot]
16:06:42 <ora> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes of last two weeks' meetings
16:06:46 <rubensworks> +1
16:06:46 <ora> +1
16:06:48 <Andy> +1
16:06:56 <lisp> +1
16:07:03 <Souri> +1
16:07:03 <Dominik_T> +1
16:07:05 <pchampin> +1
16:07:06 <gtw> +1
16:07:08 <olaf> +1
16:07:17 <AZ> +0.5 (present at 1, absent at the other, fine for the one I was present)
16:07:27 <TallTed> +1
16:07:29 <fsasaki> +1
16:07:34 <tl> +1
16:07:44 <pfps> +1
16:07:48 <ora> RESOLVED: Approve minutes of last two weeks' meetings
16:08:02 <pchampin> zakim, open next topic
16:08:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'open next topic', pchampin
16:08:06 <pchampin> zakim, open next item
16:08:06 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:08:44 <pchampin> zakim, close item 2
16:08:44 <Zakim> agendum 2, Review of open actions, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3, closed
16:08:46 <pchampin> zakim, open next item
16:08:47 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:08:47 <Zakim> 3. Review of open PRs, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 [from agendabot]
16:08:47 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review of open PRs, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:09:25 <AZ> ora: there are actions open but we can't address them now
16:10:46 <AZ> lisp: in the n-triples document there is an issue that applications have no guarantee of what triples are returned
16:11:30 <AZ> ora: I propose that we merge these PRs
16:11:42 <Andy> q+
16:11:46 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-quads/pull/108/changes
16:11:46 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-quads/pull/108 -> PR 108 Undefined errors (by lisp)
16:11:47 <ora> ack Andy
16:11:56 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-trig/pull/69/changes
16:11:56 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-trig/pull/69 -> PR 69 add text for non-conformant documents (by lisp)
16:12:00 <AZ> Andy: I would like to take a look first
16:12:02 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/pull/159/changes
16:12:03 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/pull/159 -> PR 159 add text for non-conformant documents (by lisp)
16:12:07 <AZ> ... if this is as I expect, we can merge
16:12:13 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-xml/pull/124/changes
16:12:13 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-xml/pull/124 -> PR 124 add text for non-conformant documents (by lisp)
16:12:44 <AZ> Andy: I can do the Turtle one
16:13:06 <pchampin> q+
16:13:23 <AZ> ora: what about 113?
16:13:34 <AZ> ... regarding n-triples
16:13:57 <AZ> pchampin: decision has to be made regarding this behaviour
16:14:07 <AZ> ... not sure about the case of datasets
16:14:33 <AZ> ... no problem for RDF graphs and triples, but may not apply to RDF datasets
16:14:42 <lisp> q+
16:14:56 <AZ> ora: equidna tests failed, not sure why
16:15:32 <AZ> pchampin: maybe it is due to it being candidate rec
16:16:36 <AZ> Andy: some file is missing
16:17:16 <AZ> pchampin: I'll into this problem
16:17:52 <AZ> lisp: the change that pchampin refers to is something I did a week ago
16:18:08 <AZ> ... the documents do not use the same language to describe what they produce
16:18:26 <AZ> ... it may be intentional or an error
16:18:40 <AZ> ... should be checked
16:19:12 <ora> ack pchampin
16:19:18 <AZ> pchampin: there is indeed an inconsistncy
16:19:33 <AZ> ... nquads has term construction and dataset construction
16:19:51 <AZ> ... another doc has something constructor
16:19:59 <AZ> ... it should be homogenised
16:20:54 <AZ> ... I am ok with homogenising but I was raising concerns about the case of RDF datasets
16:21:15 <ora> ack lisp
16:22:04 <Andy> +1 to "graph"
16:22:32 <AZ> ora: if pchampin is ok with the proposal, thne we can merge 113
16:22:42 <AZ> pchampin: the proposal was not yet approved, but then ok
16:23:26 <AZ> Andy: n-triples is in working draft status, contrary to what was said before
16:23:57 <AZ> ... RDF Concepts is cnadidate rec, Semantics too
16:24:17 <AZ> pchampin: n-triples is still pending TAG approval
16:24:39 <AZ> ... but that's not the reason equidna is struggling
16:25:29 <olaf> q+
16:25:30 <AZ> ora: what about sparql-query 417?
16:25:57 <AZ> olaf: I still wait a bit for people to take a look at it, especially pfps
16:26:05 <pchampin> q+
16:26:28 <AZ> olaf: there are changes on the parts about pattern matching and entailment regimes
16:26:35 <ora> ack olaf
16:26:44 <ora> ack pchampin
16:26:56 <AZ> pchampin: I created a PR this morning on RDF semantics
16:27:07 <AZ> ... a quick fix in the CSS related to dark mode
16:27:40 <AZ> ... some parts were not readable in dark mode so I fixed it
16:28:40 <AZ> (that was PR 201 on rdf-semantics)
16:29:11 <AZ> ora: what about syntax highlighting (PR 40 in rdf-primer)
16:29:43 <Andy> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/pull/40#issuecomment-5532001576
16:29:44 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/pull/40 -> PR 40 Syntax highlight examples (by niklasl)
16:30:25 <AZ> Dominik_T: it's good to merge
16:30:34 <AZ> pchampin: agreed
16:31:47 <pchampin> zakim, open next item
16:31:47 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:32:27 <AZ> ora: let's look at the one that say "proposed closing"
16:32:57 <AZ> Andy: what about responses from reviews
16:33:19 <AZ> ... ... issue 180 in rdf-star-wg
16:34:13 <AZ> pchampin: it makes sense to keep it open for the moment
16:34:44 <AZ> ... it will be reused for further horizontal reviews, so its better keeping it open
16:36:04 <Andy> q+ to talk about media types
16:36:16 <AZ> ora: issue 146 in rdf-concepts (straight quotes vs smart quotes)
16:36:34 <AZ> TallTed: I propose keeping it open, I have to check the documents
16:36:54 <pchampin> q+
16:38:01 <AZ> Andy: issue 194 of rdf-star-wg, regarding Macintosh file type code, has been address, we can close
16:38:17 <AZ> s/been address/been addressed
16:38:55 <AZ> ora: period vs full stop, issue 74 in rdf-n-triples
16:39:19 <AZ> TallTed: it's a question of clarity but there are competing standards
16:39:38 <AZ> ... if it's consistent, then we can close it
16:39:59 <AZ> ... ok we can close
16:40:35 <AZ> ora: regarding the accessibility review should we keep like the security review?
16:40:37 <AZ> pchampin: yes
16:40:59 <Dominik_T> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/196
16:41:00 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/196 -> Issue 196 Consider a small RDF vocabulary for reporting processor error-handling behavior (by domel) [propose closing]
16:41:19 <AZ> ora: 196 can be closed
16:41:42 <pchampin> q+
16:41:50 <Andy> ack me
16:41:50 <Zakim> Andy, you wanted to talk about media types
16:41:51 <AZ> ... we may still one day revisit this
16:41:55 <ora> ack Andy
16:42:02 <ora> ack pchampin
16:42:24 <AZ> pchampin: we have issues that say "we should reflect the decision about error handling"
16:43:48 <AZ> ... those can be close too
16:44:16 <AZ> ora: punctuation, number 127 in RDF concepts?
16:44:52 <AZ> TallTed: i must check
16:45:50 <AZ> ora: what about RDF Concepts section ordering (228 in rdf-concepts)
16:47:32 <AZ> pchampin: the list in the issue is as of August, but I think it did not move since
16:48:49 <pchampin> I'm sympathetic to this issue, but I can't prioritize it personally
16:50:12 <Andy> regrets for next week
16:51:32 <AZ> ora: what about rdf-primer 28, broken links
16:51:43 <AZ> s/links/links?
16:52:54 <AZ> ora: Renato Iannella provides a link to FOAF that works
16:53:12 <AZ> ... but the FOAF project webpages do not work
16:53:59 <AZ> ora: related is rdf-primer 32 on vocab links
16:55:02 <AZ> ora: pchampin, please fix the FOAF link and take into account issue 32 and 33 that are related
16:56:04 <AZ> ora: what about the issue tagged with "deferred"?
16:56:12 <AZ> s/the issue/the issues
16:57:00 <Dominik_T> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:57:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/09/10-rdf-star-minutes.html Dominik_T
16:57:03 <AZ> pchampin: we leave them as "deferred"
16:57:05 <pchampin> q+
16:57:14 <ora> ack pchampin
16:57:17 <AZ> ora: AOB?
16:57:40 <AZ> pchampin: I will have a chat with Yves Lafond to solve some things
16:58:01 <AZ> ... including n-triples not being in candidate rec
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16:58:38 <Dominik_T> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:58:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/09/10-rdf-star-minutes.html Dominik_T
16:58:41 <AZ> Andy: no SPARQL meeting tomorrow
16:59:00 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:59:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/09/10-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin